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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 7:14:18 AM(UTC)
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"Redskin" is a racial descriptor for the indigenous peoples of the Americas and one of the color metaphors for race used in North America and Europe since European colonization of the Western Hemisphere."


I am quite ignorant on the name myself. I never knew of it to be racist.

Should they have to change their name or are we being too sensitive?

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Offline Pack93z  
#2 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 7:31:37 AM(UTC)
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My high school's nickname is still the Redmen.. there has been a number of debates over the years and even open sessions with representatives from area Indian reservations. I attended a number of these event and I would say the majority of those representatives viewed the nickname as a honor to their hertitage verse being offended by it.

The majority of the push back came from groups not attached to the cultures of Indians but from more diverse backgrounds that opposed any racial persecution.

I personally haven't heard much lately on the push to change the nickname, it still is and remains Redmen.
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#3 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 7:40:39 AM(UTC)
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People have been talking/complaining about their name since the 70's. In the most technical terms it probably is racist and should be changed. In reality I never ever think of it in a derogatory manner. It is just a name.


I was talking about other team nicknames at another site. When I was a kid people use to call others by their ethnic name all the time. I really depends who says it and how they say it. If my best friends laughed and called me wop or kraut I wouldn't care. If some local bully did it I probably would.

The reference I used was from the movie "Men of Honor." Early in the movie when Robert De Niro (Master Chief Billy Sunday) calls Cuba Gooding Jr. (Carl Brashear) "Cookie", it is the same as calling him a "N-----". At the end of the movie when Brashear is on trial and he is trying to get him to walk with the diving suit on and Sunday says, "Nine! The Navy Diver is not a fighting man, he is a salvage expert. Ten! If it is lost underwater, he finds it. If it's sunk, he brings it up. If it's in the way, he moves it. Eleven! If he's lucky, he will die young, 200 feet beneath the waves, for that is the closest he'll ever get to being a hero. Hell, I don't know why anybody would want to be a Navy Diver. Now you report to this line, Cookie! " there is nothing but respect and admiration for him.

if they force them to get rid of their name then Cleveland should get rid of the Indians and Chief Wahoo. Atlanta should get rid of the Braves and the tomahawk chop. (Which is probably the most offensive of all of them.)
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Offline Formo  
#4 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 2:35:07 PM(UTC)
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I'm really apathetic about these names. I can understand why any Native Americans would oppose them, and would never argue against their case. But at the same time, I'm not on a crusade to change it all if they aren't interested in it.

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#5 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 3:53:15 PM(UTC)
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if you change the logo into a potato it's good to go
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#6 Posted : Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:38:31 AM(UTC)
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Never understood the problem with nicknames. Butchers aren't offended by the Packers, Americans by the Patriots, the Scandanavian countries by the Vikings, cowboys by the Cowboys, tall people by the Giants, miners by the 49'ers, church people by the Saints, Texans by the Texans, Paul Brown's family by the Browns, just the ones I can think of from pro football. There's many more in other sports and college. Nicknames are chosen for the positives they represent, strength, courage, loyalty, speed, power, athleticism, vision, etc. How people find that derogatory doesn't make sense to me. In most cases Native Americans don't have a problem with it and actually favor it. But the small noisey minority seem to get what they want.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, April 6, 2013 1:52:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx Go to Quoted Post
Never understood the problem with nicknames. Butchers aren't offended by the Packers, Americans by the Patriots, the Scandanavian countries by the Vikings, cowboys by the Cowboys, tall people by the Giants, miners by the 49'ers, church people by the Saints, Texans by the Texans, Paul Brown's family by the Browns, just the ones I can think of from pro football. There's many more in other sports and college. Nicknames are chosen for the positives they represent, strength, courage, loyalty, speed, power, athleticism, vision, etc. How people find that derogatory doesn't make sense to me. In most cases Native Americans don't have a problem with it and actually favor it. But the small noisey minority seem to get what they want.


We dummy down to the lowest level in all aspects of society. They give "participation awards" for anyone who shows up. In some park districts they don't keep score. Gimme a break.

They are afraid to hurt the feelings of fans like the Cubs and Vikings.
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Offline texaspackerbacker  
#8 Posted : Saturday, April 6, 2013 3:24:22 PM(UTC)
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yeah hahaha. what should they be called? the Washington Indigenous People of the Americas? the IPOTAS - hey, that has a ring to it. Big game this week - the IPOTAS against the SLAPAHOS.

I guess we gotta get rid of Dakota too, right? Maybe change him to "Boy Named Sioux" - oops still too Indian hahaha.

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#9 Posted : Saturday, April 6, 2013 4:17:22 PM(UTC)
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I hope they feel enough pressure to have to change the name.

I think that would be an excellent vehicle to display just how totally fucked up and whiny all this PC bullshit is, and the venue couldn't be better.

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Offline Zero2Cool  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:50:24 AM(UTC)
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“It doesn’t bother me,” Robert Green, chief of the Patawomeck Tribe in Virginia, told Woody. “About 98 percent of my tribe is Redskins fans, and it doesn’t offend them, either.”

“I’m a Redskins fan, and I don’t think there’s any intention for [the nickname] to be derogatory,” said Kevin Brown, chief of the Pamunkey Tribe of Virginia. “The majority of the people in my tribe don’t have a problem with it. There are a few who do, and we respect their feelings.”

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:03:33 AM(UTC)
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I also say, ask the Indians. I cast my 1/16 vote for being happy about names like Warriors, Redmen, Braves, Indians, and yes, even Redskins. That last one, however, may be traumatic to light-skinned white people who spend too much time in the sun. It gives them the Tomahawk Chap.

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:37:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
I also say, ask the Indians. I cast my 1/16 vote for being happy about names like Warriors, Redmen, Braves, Indians, and yes, even Redskins. That last one, however, may be traumatic to light-skinned white people who spend too much time in the sun. It gives them the Tomahawk Chap.


Only relic insensitive assholes make satire out of political correctness. You and Gunny are two peas in a pod, only Gunny sometimes says the right things after he realizes what he said hurt someone's feelings.

I know Texas, in your Machiavellian philosophical views, the white man in the 1800's was totally just and correct in nearly completing our genocide of the Indians, because we brought a Gatling Gun to a knife fight.

Do you know what the difference between us and the Nazi's is? We confiscated land not just jewelry and bank accounts. And because we benefited financially in a very huge way - every penny and more is justified to buying off our shame in what we continue to give to the Indians. I'm surprised you or Gunny hasn't brought up how unfair the "perks" for the Indians are.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:04:35 PM(UTC)
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Chances are those who are offended most are whites who feel it is their duty to protect Aboriginals, unbeknownst to them that their paternalistic protection is in fact more racist than the Redskin nickname itself.

Before anyone calls me racist, I have an adopted Aboriginal sister.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:29:33 PM(UTC)
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Oh it's so depressing and politically incorrect - POLITCS has again reared its ugly head (or is it headed its ugly rear) hahahahaha. Can't we all just get along. It was so peaceful (and damn boring) here for a few days.

Let's see, we got an Indian chief, a guy with an adopted Aboriginal sister (and I doubt he means Australian), and my 1/16 representing the Indian community in having no problem with such names. That's not counting Gunny and his sick agenda of hoping to make those poor misguided P.C. people look bad hahahahaha. And what do we have on the other side? A white man with a STRONG reputation of speaking with a forked tongue - who maliciously gave himself a screen name stolen from a great American tribe of people.

But yeah, Dakota, I and I assume Gunny also, plead guilty to bringing a Gatling Gun to a knife fight in our rhetorical battles with you hahahaha.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:38:05 PM(UTC)
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Oh it's so depressing and politically incorrect - POLITCS has again reared its ugly head (or is it headed its ugly rear) hahahahaha. Can't we all just get along. It was so peaceful (and damn boring) here for a few days.

Let's see, we got an Indian chief, a guy with an adopted Aboriginal sister (and I doubt he means Australian), and my 1/16 representing the Indian community in having no problem with such names. That's not counting Gunny and his sick agenda of hoping to make those poor misguided P.C. people look bad hahahahaha. And what do we have on the other side? A white man with a STRONG reputation of speaking with a forked tongue - who maliciously gave himself a screen name stolen from a great American tribe of people.

But yeah, Dakota, I and I assume Gunny also, plead guilty to bringing a Gatling Gun to a knife fight in our rhetorical battles with you hahahaha.


My wife is 1/16 Cherokee. She is proud of her heritage as are my children. We have done a little research over the years but it is really hard to find much other than oral tradition. Great-great grandma was being deported from the Cherokee Nation on one of the Trail of Tears when she married a White man in Tennessee.

There are not a lot of records that link her to the family today. Just going through my wife's grandmother (she had siblings too.) Great-great grandma has nearly 200 decedents. My kids generation are having their own kids these days. I wouldn't be surprised if she already has 500 direct decedents when we include the other branches of the family. That said she probably was not much more than a concubine/servant when Great-great grandpa "bought"? her from someone. Nevertheless every single decedent that I or my wife has spoken to are proud of their Grandma no matter what the circumstances where or how many "greats" are in front of her name.

As for me, I have told Troy several times. I refuse to held responsible for the actions of another. My family was not in the US until after the Civil War. Most of them came over in the late 1880's or 90's. As far as direct line ancestors not a single one of them held any man or woman in bondage nor did they kill anybody.

Atrocities most certainly have been committed in this country as well as all the rest of the world. It has been going on since the beginning of time. Either everyone is culpable for all of them or only those who actually committed the deed are to be held responsible for their actions. It is my opinion that every man stands in judgment for their own actions and you don't pass the sins of the father unto their sons and their son's sons.
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