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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:43:14 AM(UTC)
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The millions of TV viewers in the U.S. who receive over-the-air television free via antennas could be forced to pay. ... but will you? Apparently they will be removed from cable and satellite.


This is regarding CBS and FOX debating on moving from the free over the air availability to a subscription business model.

I refuse to have Cable and same goes for Satellite. I feel it's a waste of money. The girls and I don't watch much TV, but we do catch a movie or two a week. I shell out a whopping ~$8 a month for Netflix. I don't think I'll pay to watch the few shows like Big Bang Theory or NCIS or the show Keiana likes, Bones.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:57:29 AM(UTC)
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we have satellite. I rarely watch tv. If it were just me I wouldn't have it at all. So I was thinking that i don't care if they go to fee based or not. Then I realized I wouldn't get to watch the Packer games and that frustrated me. Then I realized that I don't get half of them any way.
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Offline Mucky Tundra  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:25:38 AM(UTC)
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I'm curious as to what the NFL will say to this. On one hand, they might be against it since a lot people won't be seeing their games. On the other hand, they seem intent on forcing people to pay money just to watch their games as evidenced by the Thursday night games and the last Thanksgiving game the past few years.

All in all, just seems to be another example of traditional media unable to adapt to the internet.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:29:27 AM(UTC)
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My belief is that it is just a public stance to apply pressure to this court decision.. basically the networks are not getting there cut of this money.. Aereo is taking a "free" product, streaming it, and profiting from it without paying its source any revenue.

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Another television network has joined the broadcaster backlash following last week's court decision upholding Internet TV company Aereo's right to stream broadcast TV without paying retransmission fees.

Like rival Fox TV, CBS, the parent company of CNET, is considering alternative ways to monetize its television content in the face of Aereo's service, including cutting off broadcast signals in favor of a subscription-only model, The New York Times reported today. The revelation comes a day after Chase Carey, chief operations officer of News Corp., indicated that Fox would change its business model to ensure it gets paid for TV content it produces.

"We need the dual revenue stream model of retransmission fees and advertising to sustain our business," Carey said yesterday at National Association of Broadcasters' annual trade show in Las Vegas. "We will pursue our rights fully both legally and politically to protect our rights. But if we can't get our rights protected, we will pursue business solutions to take our network and turn it into a subscription service."
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:02:44 AM(UTC)
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what happened to the phrase I hear on baseball telecasts all the time?

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Any rebroadcast, retransmission, or account of this game, without the express written consent of Major League Baseball, is prohibited.


I assumed bars and other people who could profit by retransmission could not tap into the signal without paying for it. It that just a bunch of BS trying to scare off the little guy? Doesn't the NFL take a similar stance? I wonder why this simple line doesn't work for the networks as well. It seems so simple. You can't get something for free so pay the people who make it.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:07:59 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
what happened to the phrase I hear on baseball telecasts all the time?



I assumed bars and other people who could profit by retransmission could not tap into the signal without paying for it. It that just a bunch of BS trying to scare off the little guy? Doesn't the NFL take a similar stance? I wonder why this simple line doesn't work for the networks as well. It seems so simple. You can't get something for free so pay the people who make it.


Typically, a Bar is already paying a portion of that re-transmission fee with their Cable or Satellite cost. The bar isn't rebroadcasting it either.

The NFL did have issues with a church (and other venues) showing the Super Bowl to mass amounts of people. I think there was a limit on how many could view it without a charge or something.

The service that is pissing off CBS and FOX is I believe omitting commercials and that's why the networks are pissed off. Networks use regional commercials for certain demographics and when its rebroadcasted without their control, they lose that marketing control. Do you want to advertise your product of Viagra to a market that is dominated by teenagers?
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:13:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Typically, a Bar is already paying a portion of that re-transmission fee with their Cable or Satellite cost. The bar isn't rebroadcasting it either.

The NFL did have issues with a church (and other venues) showing the Super Bowl to mass amounts of people. I think there was a limit on how many could view it without a charge or something.

The service that is pissing off CBS and FOX is I believe omitting commercials and that's why the networks are pissed off. Networks use regional commercials for certain demographics and when its rebroadcasted without their control, they lose that marketing control. Do you want to advertise your product of Viagra to a market that is dominated by teenagers?


I was generalizing a bit when I said bars. I know they pay a cable or satellite fee. (They didn't use to when they had the jumbo dishes.)
But a bar or restaurant can rebroadcast a game on a certain nite (Final Four Championship game or Super Bowl. I can see a bar in Louisville doing so every Thur for a few weeks.) and thus be in trouble.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:18:23 AM(UTC)
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Oh, I didn't know what you meant then, my mistake. I thought you meant airing it live. So bars actually "DVR" events and replay them? I see Walmart replays Super Bowl XLV all of the time in their Packers section.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:34:44 AM(UTC)
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in new york the days of antenna tv is over, the cable giants all forced everybody to cable about 1-2 yrs ago, ive always had cable but there were plenty of people who didnt espicially in nyc !!
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:53:58 AM(UTC)
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I'm with Kev as in I damn near refuse to pay for cable. We have it now, though, but only for 6 months. Because of a promo that brought the bundle (internet/basic cable) cost down to the same price as our internet alone. And we got HBO as a bonus. As soon as this following NFL season is up, I'm canceling the cable.

But I really, REALLY hope the idea of subscription fees for over-the-air broadcasting via ANY big network doesn't even sniff the light of day. That's effin' bogus.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:07:42 AM(UTC)
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I'm with Kev as in I damn near refuse to pay for cable. We have it now, though, but only for 6 months. Because of a promo that brought the bundle (internet/basic cable) cost down to the same price as our internet alone. And we got HBO as a bonus. As soon as this following NFL season is up, I'm canceling the cable.

But I really, REALLY hope the idea of subscription fees for over-the-air broadcasting via ANY big network doesn't even sniff the light of day. That's effin' bogus.


I agree completely with the free big networks never charging a subscription fee, but I also think of one of them does, it will be a suicide if the others do not follow suit. Who is going to pay to watch that station when they can just find the show they want on hulu?

Anyways, I was reading about Google's future TV service (they have it installed in kansas city as a beta test right now) and how they won't be like cable or satellite in how they charge for packages. They are going to let you pick and choose what channels you want to receive individually and pay a fee for each one. Depending on the price for each channel, I am all for this idea, seeing as I have hundreds of channels right now that I will never watch.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:11:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Oh, I didn't know what you meant then, my mistake. I thought you meant airing it live. So bars actually "DVR" events and replay them? I see Walmart replays Super Bowl XLV all of the time in their Packers section.


I don't know. If I owned a bar and had a team in a championship game I would and then if they win replay it until the crowd thinned out.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:14:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
I agree completely with the free big networks never charging a subscription fee, but I also think of one of them does, it will be a suicide if the others do not follow suit. Who is going to pay to watch that station when they can just find the show they want on hulu?

Anyways, I was reading about Google's future TV service (they have it installed in kansas city as a beta test right now) and how they won't be like cable or satellite in how they charge for packages. They are going to let you pick and choose what channels you want to receive individually and pay a fee for each one. Depending on the price for each channel, I am all for this idea, seeing as I have hundreds of channels right now that I will never watch.


cable is looking at this concept too. We have a thread that very briefly touches on it.

http://packershome.com/f...itional-Cable-Model.aspx
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:32:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
I agree completely with the free big networks never charging a subscription fee, but I also think of one of them does, it will be a suicide if the others do not follow suit. Who is going to pay to watch that station when they can just find the show they want on hulu?

Anyways, I was reading about Google's future TV service (they have it installed in kansas city as a beta test right now) and how they won't be like cable or satellite in how they charge for packages. They are going to let you pick and choose what channels you want to receive individually and pay a fee for each one. Depending on the price for each channel, I am all for this idea, seeing as I have hundreds of channels right now that I will never watch.


Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, etc ... pay the network for the rights to have those shows available, so they get their money. What they miss out on is advertisement revenue, which is why ... yes, I will pound this to the death ... every network should stream their own shows FREE with brief 15-30 second commercials (2-3 per break). It'll kill off DVR, but if people can go to a website or app and watch their show at will, what need would their be?
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:20:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, etc ... pay the network for the rights to have those shows available, so they get their money. What they miss out on is advertisement revenue, which is why ... yes, I will pound this to the death ... every network should stream their own shows FREE with brief 15-30 second commercials (2-3 per break). It'll kill off DVR, but if people can go to a website or app and watch their show at will, what need would their be?


There's really two forces fighting against that - Fear about moving what used to be a solid business model to a digital model that really hasn't been explored yet, and the massive cost for the hardware and bandwidth to stream HD content to millions of people simultaneously. With over the air broadcasts, individual stations pay for the broadcast towers, staff, and power to run it all. If they completely shut down all the free local broadcasts (which will happen the second this content is free over the internet), suddenly Fox is inheriting all the cost and risk.
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