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Offline zombieslayer  
#16 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:43:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
I get it.. but I hate it. The deemed worthiness of the freaking stat.

Nevermind the defensive plays that lead up to the drive. Nevermind Finley making a huge play along the sidelines.. screw all the other plays made by others, including the money catch by Cobb.

Credit for the comeback must be assigned to the QB.


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#17 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:52:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
I get it.. but I hate it. The deemed worthiness of the freaking stat.

Nevermind the defensive plays that lead up to the drive. Nevermind Finley making a huge play along the sidelines.. screw all the other plays made by others, including the money catch by Cobb.

Credit for the comeback must be assigned to the QB.



Can't disagree with your point. The only thing I can say is that it is understood that team is implied in these discussions.

I would give the play of the game to Bishop for forcing the fumble on Stafford.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:18:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb Go to Quoted Post
Can't disagree with your point. The only thing I can say is that it is understood that team is implied in these discussions.


Nothing against how you put it.. or anyone implying it towards Rodgers. Just personally hate the concept.


Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb Go to Quoted Post

I would give the play of the game to Bishop for forcing the fumble on Stafford.


And Moses too! Big Grin

Kid played well today.

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#19 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:05:53 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb Go to Quoted Post
Can't disagree with your point. The only thing I can say is that it is understood that team is implied in these discussions.

I would give the play of the game to Bishop for forcing the fumble on Stafford.


Bishop?
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#20 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:44:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Bishop?


I thought we were talking about the 2010 SB for a second. Now I realize Bishop was healthy enough to sneak on the field for one play.
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Offline DakotaT  
#21 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:11:32 PM(UTC)
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I've never understood the need for 4th quarter comebacks as a criteria for judging QBs. I guess it made Elway a legend so they feel the need to keep that up, but football is a team game, not just the quarterback wins or loses.
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Offline Porforis  
#22 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 8:26:28 AM(UTC)
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Also, if you're winning the game in the final 2 minutes, that means that you haven't been winning the game in the first 58 minutes. 4th quarter comebacks aren't a useless stat as it's important to be able to be clutch, but it's a terrible way to judge a quarterback.
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#23 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 9:13:33 AM(UTC)
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Great to get the comeback win. Huge plays by our D to force it, then to hold the lead. My hat is off to Jermichael Finley and Randall Cobb both, along with Rodgers. Awesome plays down the stretch to secure the Win. Those are all confidence builders, not just for those aforementioned, but for the entire team. HUGE!
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#24 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 10:21:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Also, if you're winning the game in the final 2 minutes, that means that you haven't been winning the game in the first 58 minutes. 4th quarter comebacks aren't a useless stat as it's important to be able to be clutch, but it's a terrible way to judge a quarterback.


It is a team effort and a very very mild stat to look upon for a QB as much of the effort is really only fractionally tasked to him.

Example.. MD Jennings doesn't pick off the ball and return it in the third, the remainder of the game is altered.

If the defense doesn't bow up and hold the Lions to a FG, it never happens.

If Finley doesn't split the defenders and ramble down the sidelines, does it happen?

If Cobb doesn't yank down that money catch, a throw that was floated into double coverage, does it go down as another Rodgers failure in the 4th.

The stat, QB 4th quarter comeback is an insult to the remainder of the team. Period. And I hate it with a passion.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline play2win  
#25 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 12:19:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
It is a team effort and a very very mild stat to look upon for a QB as much of the effort is really only fractionally tasked to him.

Example.. MD Jennings doesn't pick off the ball and return it in the third, the remainder of the game is altered.

If the defense doesn't bow up and hold the Lions to a FG, it never happens.

If Finley doesn't split the defenders and ramble down the sidelines, does it happen?

If Cobb doesn't yank down that money catch, a throw that was floated into double coverage, does it go down as another Rodgers failure in the 4th.

The stat, QB 4th quarter comeback is an insult to the remainder of the team. Period. And I hate it with a passion.


You are right. Imagine if Cobb hadn't made what was an exceptional one-handed catch, while being interfered with! Holy crap! Then, imagine the inverse shit storm Rodgers would have had heaped onto him for not getting the W... That whole comeback kid thing is so misguided, with both Ws and Ls.

Our defense gets none of the credit with these scenarios. Granted, Rodgers did an exceptional job in getting our offense to complete 2 scores to steal the Win. He really did. But, I would argue, so did our OL, Starks in protection as well as running, and the other WRs who contributed BIG catches (Jones, Driver). This says nothing about the superb job our entire D laid out yesterday. Fricking A that was awesome! But, the big point you make is these are TEAM wins, for sure.

The Packers came back and won it yesterday against Detroit, in their house. Now THAT says a lot!
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