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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:46:19 AM(UTC)
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I don't know a whole helluva lot about politics, but who's offering what and is the best for America?

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Offline polargrizz  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:55:41 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I don't know a whole helluva lot about politics, but who's offering what and is the best for America?


Neither. Why is it that we never get a legitimate third choice?
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:26:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: polargrizz Go to Quoted Post
Neither. Why is it that we never get a legitimate third choice?


because if we did they would not be the third choice.

I have voted for a 3rd party candidate when I was younger. (Long before Perot or Nader.) I had hoped it would generate more support.

Trouble with the 3rd party candidates, if they want to be on the big stage they will have to make deals and compromise the same as everyone from the Big 2 who has run. They will not look as pure when the spotlight is shining intensely on them.
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Offline Porforis  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:29:35 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: polargrizz Go to Quoted Post
Neither. Why is it that we never get a legitimate third choice?


Because the far left and right love extreme candidates, and 99% of the people in the middle have convinced themselves that their vote (their voice) is wasted if they don't vote for a Democrat or Republican. In a world where we're teaching our kids that they can do anything and should dismiss the naysayers in the world, it's astounding that people have the attitude that their vote, their democratic voice, is a waste if they don't use it to say that they want someone with a shot of winning to win. I've beaten this horse over and over, but if even half the people that are disgusted by both candidates and the constant negativity decided to vote for a third party, or even write in "None of the above", both parties would snap to attention. Sure, they'd still be conniving, self-centered liars, but at least they'd pay more attention to the center because they would actually need to work for those votes rather than just not sucking as much as the other guy.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:18:59 AM(UTC)
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voting third party here! let's rock this nation & make a change people!!
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:20:36 AM(UTC)
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Good lord, we're a bunch of optimistic hippies. :P
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:28:40 AM(UTC)
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Obama seems to want to give away millions and billions to those who can't earn it themselves and Romney seems to change his direction predicated on the target audience.

It really can't be too hard to finance the deficit.

1. legalize weed, tax it like cigarettes. there's tax money and jobs.
2. legalize prostitution, tax it. there's tax money and job. (there has to be a way to make it healthy, shit, its the worlds OLDEST human profession!)
3. any and all government paid employees making six figures or more, instantly lose 50% of their income.


There is my three point plan to getting this country's debt zeroed out. BOOM!

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#8 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:30:57 AM(UTC)
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Those are good ideas, if you want to make bad things legal.

I have watched Obama the last 4 years, and while he was president, the country has fallen over 6 trillion dollars deeper into debt since he took office. This coming from a guy who whailed on president Bush about us being 10 trillion in debt, saying something to the effect that that was "unpatriotic". So if he goes by his OWN measure, he should just drop out of the race.

All the "hope" and "change" talk was just that, TALK.

Now i see "FORWARD!" The new "word of the day!" What exactly does that mean? I think lemmings have that same motto.

Unemployment is higher, the national debt is higher, and he has shown nothing about how he's going to "change" any of it.....for the BETTER, i mean. Yes, there HAS been "change". Not any GOOD change though.

I see all these ads about Romney "only" paying 14% taxes on his income of 20 million dollars. "Only?" Figure it out.....14% of 20 million is WHAT? That's right, 2 million 800 thousand dollars. Tell me, how many years would the average person have to work to pay out almost 3 million dollars in taxes?

Tax the hell out of the "rich" guys, and what will happen? They will move out of the country. And who could blame them?
Plus the unreported fact that Romney paid out more then that in charitable contributions, many of which he didn't even take credit for on his taxes.

Yes, the guy is rich. But he EARNED it. So we should just take it away from him, because the damn bastard shouldn't have money, right?
I guess then we should hit up guys like George Clooney, and all the other rich hollywood types, cause THEY are rich TOO~!
How about the Clintons while we are at it? THEY have WAY too much money as well!

Being wealthy has been the way the democrats make the "average" person hate the republicans. Even though the ones out in the forefront that are spouting the hate speech are usually the rich democrats.
I'm a rebublican, and POOR. VERY poor in fact. I don't even know where next month's rent payment is coming from.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:47:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cheesey Go to Quoted Post
Those are good ideas, if you want to make bad things legal.

Drinking is bad and legal.
Cigarettes are bad and legal.
Chew is bad and legal.


Why not have tax payers reap the taxation benefits on weed as well? Wait, it's better to spend money trying to stop something that will never be stopped and instead having those people live off taxpayers money instead??? When people are incarcerated, it's the law biding citizens who are footing the bill. Flip that around!


And paying for sex is bad based on perception. I'm not saying there would be less molestations or rapes with legalizing it, but it sure beats locking people up and having the taxpayers footing the bill for them too.


These things can be done to benefit the country with the proper EDUCATION.




Unemployment is actually lower now than it was last year. I was curious about that claim the other day and looked into it.


Who typically employee's people? Millionaires. So if we provide a tax break for them, shouldn't that in turn help more people get jobs?

I have no clue if I'm Democrat or Republican. I think both parties are full of idiots and self righteous self preserving pricks. Yes, I'm pretty ignorant on politics, but I have yet to see one party prove they care more about the Country than their "party" and to me, that's a huge problem.

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#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:15:33 PM(UTC)
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Romney's residing over Bain Capital, help founding the realm of leveraged buyouts, should be a telling tale of his plans once in office.

Layoffs, closures, a massive profits for for the investment firms itself.

Additionally,Romney resided upon the board of directors over the Damon Corporation, they were found guilty of defrauding the government when new owners took over. Yet the Bain Capital company pocketed triple their investment.

Yes, this is the type of leadership that we need in power. Obama, I am sure is no better.

Why we prop up these type with deep pockets as the answer I will never know. We want success as a country, but feed the reins to those with wolf traits.

My vote will be None of the Above.
The wolves will never lose sleep over the feelings of the sheep.

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:07:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 4PackGirl Go to Quoted Post
voting third party here! let's rock this nation & make a change people!!


Same here.

maybe my vote for Roseanne Barr. LOL.
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Offline Porforis  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:09:51 PM(UTC)
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Well, if this thread is any indication, None of the Above will win the election, and some son or daughter of two crazy parents with the same name will unexpectedly find him/herself in the oval office.
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Offline Wade  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:15:48 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
because if we did they would not be the third choice.

I have voted for a 3rd party candidate when I was younger. (Long before Perot or Nader.) I had hoped it would generate more support.

Trouble with the 3rd party candidates, if they want to be on the big stage they will have to make deals and compromise the same as everyone from the Big 2 who has run. They will not look as pure when the spotlight is shining intensely on them.


This is why I think the "none of the above" vote should be the way to go. What the country needs is not another person who can defeat the two bigs. That's just not going to happen. What we need is an election that makes clear just how little legitimacy either of the bigs has in terms of representing "we the people".

If you could get 20 percent of the populace to say "anything but these clowns" with their chads, even 10 percent maybe, it wouldn't keep one of the clowns from taking office. But they would have real trouble because then all they have is power. They'd no longer have even the imprimatur of majoritarianism justifying their actions. They'd be just feudal oligarchs restricting the choices of their serfs.

Technically they shouldn't have it now, since often more than half of the electorate opts out at a given election. But if you don't vote, they can always make the fallacious argument that "if you don't vote, you shouldn't complain." But if you vote, but vote "HELL NO WE DON"T WANT EITHER OF YOU BASTARDS", even the fallacy doesn't wash.

The more people who vote for one or the other on a "lesser of two evils" basis, the more legitimacy they grant the bastards.

You don't think the parties would change if they spend a couple billion on an election and not only does half the electorate stay home, but 40 percent of those voting (20% of the whole) actively votes "NEITHER"?



None of the above. It wouldn't have been a wasted vote. Obama and Romney -- Those were the wasted votes.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:17:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Well, if this thread is any indication, None of the Above will win the election, and some son or daughter of two crazy parents with the same name will unexpectedly find him/herself in the oval office.


And they'll be an improvement.
None of the above. It wouldn't have been a wasted vote. Obama and Romney -- Those were the wasted votes.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 2:35:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Packerchick Go to Quoted Post
Same here.

maybe my vote for Roseanne Barr. LOL.


You know what? I read through her stuff, and if there is a lesser of 3 evils, she's definitely a lesser evil than Obama and Romney, and it's not even close. I may vote for her as well out of protest. (Plus, she's always made me laugh).
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