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Offline Pack93z  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:53:11 AM(UTC)
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Ahhh... not wanting to and not are two very distinct differences. But thanks for the assumption. Big Grin

No worries mate.. just chewing the fat because I absolutely loathe the direction we as a country politically are heading. And I happen to believe the majority of the country is just going to vote either or. Hence the frustration.

Really the frustration is those that are towing the party lines just to tow it.The distinctions between the parties is just their visions on which policies will drive them to overspend and to be reelected.

We fight with each other on the behalves of parties that really aren't in it for us.. they are in it to be reelected and what policies help them in that cause.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:05:09 AM(UTC)
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We fight with each other on the behalves of parties that really aren't in it for us.. they are in it to be reelected and what policies help them in that cause.


Yup. Truth.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:19:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Ahhh... not wanting to and not are two very distinct differences. But thanks for the assumption. Big Grin

No worries mate.. just chewing the fat because I absolutely loathe the direction we as a country politically are heading. And I happen to believe the majority of the country is just going to vote either or. Hence the frustration.

Really the frustration is those that are towing the party lines just to tow it.The distinctions between the parties is just their visions on which policies will drive them to overspend and to be reelected.

We fight with each other on the behalves of parties that really aren't in it for us.. they are in it to be reelected and what policies help them in that cause.


I definitely get the frustration, and I'm going to need to drag myself to the polls. But I'll do it, and I'll use my voice to express my opinion, rather than using it to say I support more mediocrity.

I've made predictions in the past regarding the election, that Obama would win by 5-8% of the popular vote. I think the recent fiascos in Cairo and Libya (specifically comments very early on condemning a no-name movie that was a ridiculous pretext to the attacks) will give Romney a bit of a bump, but unless this turns into utter insanity it's not going to be enough to save him. I just hope that there's enough country left by the time Americans pull their heads out of their asses to turn things around.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:51:08 AM(UTC)
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You do understand I know this probably better than most and being technical deviates from the point, right? Okay, thought so. Duh!

I'm going to plug my fingers in my ears and ignore the rest because obviously you think I'm a damn idiot.



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Nah. I"m not sure how you got that from what I said.

Oh, I think you (and most everyone here, for that matter) are generally too often too willing to give the government/politicians the benefit of the doubt. I don't trust them to do what is right OR to do what makes sense. I'm shocked on the rare occasions they do get something right.

And as I've said before, I would prefer to think of and call said government actors/politicians idiots (because I think the alternative often would be that they are evil).

But I don't think you are an idiot. The notion that those idiots might try to flip the kill switchis frightening.

I can't think of a single situation where killing the internet makes sense. Maybe if there's potential for a massive power failure and its a choice between powering the internet and powering hospitals, traffic lights, and such. But other than that?

I can't think of a single economic or moral reason for doing so.
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#20 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 2:23:56 PM(UTC)
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First, I think more Americans need to declare their independence from partisan politics on both sides. The more that Americans declare their independence, the more the parties will have to compete for their votes using reason rather than the hateful appeals. ~ John Avlon

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Offline Porforis  
#21 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 2:55:31 PM(UTC)
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First, I think more Americans need to declare their independence from partisan politics on both sides. The more that Americans declare their independence, the more the parties will have to compete for their votes using reason rather than the hateful appeals. ~ John Avlon


His name sounds familiar, but I couldn't put this any better myself. Only problem I have with this is that lots of people LOVE feeding into the hateful appeals. After all, I am right and the other guys are wrong so it's okay to mock and dismiss everything they have to say, suppress their speech, and blame everything on them.
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#22 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 3:27:27 PM(UTC)
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First, I think more Americans need to declare their independence from partisan politics on both sides. The more that Americans declare their independence, the more the parties will have to compete for their votes using reason rather than the hateful appeals. ~ John Avlon


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“There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, it to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."—John Adams



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"The middle of the road is all of the usable surface. The extremes, right and left, are in the gutters.”- Dwight D. Eisenhower


And Eisenhower was one President that was highly underrated...he was also the first one to warn of the dangers of a military/industrial complex.
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, November 7, 2012 9:29:06 AM(UTC)
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Social media last night was case in point, like we need validation, of just how divided we are as a nation because of this two party nonsense.

Twitter had examples aplenty of people bashing, thrashing and attacking others in bulk because of views. Even the people that are hoping for the best of the nation getting attacked.

Honestly, I sat glued to Twitter watching the vitoriol being slung openly.. mostly appalled at the complete lack of citizenship displayed openly.

It truly embeds the notion that this country is eating itself from within.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, November 7, 2012 12:45:18 PM(UTC)
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I have major issues with the two party system, besides the other party being completely whacked. But it is hard if not impossible to get it changed when those who would need to change it are one of the two parties.

In order to make change, legitimate 3rd parties need to get into power at the state level and congress. While not an official party, the Tea Party movement has tried to get fiscal conservatives into power through the republican party. and has had some success. If those conservatives now broke away from republicans for say the libertarian party, that would help establish them as more legitimate. Problem is, that weakens the power of republicans and not democrats and the next election democrats would beat both parties because of splitting the vote.

I think now both parties fear that 3rd party candidate will infiltrate and get seats and then leave the party. so they are nominating less center leaning candidates.

One 3rd party needs to stand up, and make a real push, with real funding.
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