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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Monday, July 5, 2010 4:17:46 AM(UTC)
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I was watching the fireworks tonight (in the rain) and started thinking of the History Channel. They were showing how America became what we know it as today. It's quite remarkable and made me appreciate things much more than I have previously.

I then wondered if that could be a problem with society today? Do we just take the fruits of the labor for granted instead of appreciating the labor that got us those fruits? How could we as a society obtain more knowledge about our countries past to fully appreciate the freedoms we have today?

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#2 Posted : Monday, July 5, 2010 3:09:06 PM(UTC)
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Leaving the country for extended periods of time is a good start.
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#3 Posted : Monday, July 5, 2010 3:38:06 PM(UTC)
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It can be. I had no desire to return to the States after spending time in Germany.

I was warmly welcomed in Germany. I was treated like a potential terrorist on my return to the United States -- frisked, searched, and interrogated. This despite carrying a U.S. passport and military ID card. It was at that point I lost my last lingering shreds of affection for my country.

I love my country from the depths of my heart. I have, however, no remaining respect for it.
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#4 Posted : Monday, July 5, 2010 8:41:10 PM(UTC)
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No one cares about what it took to build this country anymore. This generation only cares about now and instant gratification. They seem to forget that most of the major accomplishments in the last 200 years came from the hearts and minds of Americans. They forsake their past for the now.

Just my 2 cents.
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#5 Posted : Monday, July 5, 2010 8:53:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
No one cares about what it took to build this country anymore. This generation only cares about now and instant gratification. They seem to forget that most of the major accomplishments in the last 200 years came from the hearts and minds of Americans. They forsake their past for the now.

Just my 2 cents.


I think that's a problem. A huge problem. It allows many to slush off respect for the country and the men and women who died to give us what we now take for granted.

Slightly off campus here, but look how American society views their own elected President. Evil, corrupt, boneheaded, etc ... and this from people who've never held a position in any political office pretending to be intelligent about the job responsibilities of the President.

50 years ago, there were kids aspiring to grow up and be the President.
Now? Fuck no, because our society is full of disrespect for authority and it's just easier to be a person who blames the President for the problems in the country instead of being responsible and accountable and looking in the mirror.

It's disgusting. And the image we have of our President falls on them more than those who push that image onto their kids. --- JFK's sexscapades, Nixon watergate, Clinton lewinsky ... I'm sure there are a lot more than I'm aware. It makes it harder for the next President to win over the nation.

We can scoff at how other countries are operated, but from what I've seen they have more respect for authority figures (politicians, parents, teachers, etc) than Americans.


Edit, actually I'm sure some kids today would like to be President, however for different reasons than that of 50 years ago. Back then, it was to make a difference in the world. Now it would be to collect the $191,300 check yearly after their presidency has concluded.

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#6 Posted : Monday, July 5, 2010 9:55:14 PM(UTC)
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No one cares about what it took to build this country anymore. This generation only cares about now and instant gratification. They seem to forget that most of the major accomplishments in the last 200 years came from the hearts and minds of Americans. They forsake their past for the now.

Just my 2 cents.


I think that's a problem. A huge problem. It allows many to slush off respect for the country and the men and women who died to give us what we now take for granted.

Slightly off campus here, but look how American society views their own elected President. Evil, corrupt, boneheaded, etc ... and this from people who've never held a position in any political office pretending to be intelligent about the job responsibilities of the President.

50 years ago, there were kids aspiring to grow up and be the President.
Now? Fuck no, because our society is full of disrespect for authority and it's just easier to be a person who blames the President for the problems in the country instead of being responsible and accountable and looking in the mirror.

It's disgusting. And the image we have of our President falls on them more than those who push that image onto their kids. --- JFK's sexscapades, Nixon watergate, Clinton lewinsky ... I'm sure there are a lot more than I'm aware. It makes it harder for the next President to win over the nation.

We can scoff at how other countries are operated, but from what I've seen they have more respect for authority figures (politicians, parents, teachers, etc) than Americans.


Edit, actually I'm sure some kids today would like to be President, however for different reasons than that of 50 years ago. Back then, it was to make a difference in the world. Now it would be to collect the $191,300 check yearly after their presidency has concluded.


Well I have to admit I don't respect our government either. Everything I have seen from them the past 20 years or so leads me to believe there are no good politicians. In my view they are a big part of the problem. They act like children .They argue and gridlock the Government and nothing gets done. It's always Red vs. Bue and nothing in between. They spend our money like it belongs to them on programs they claim will help us but in reality they are only lining their pockets with the kickbacks from Big Buisness. Everyone is on the take. Just like this generation.

I would love nothing better than to believe in a President again. I would love to believe in a Government that believed that the Government was created "of the people, by the people, for the people" again.

A lot of "believes" in there. Mostly make believes though I'm afraid.
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#7 Posted : Monday, July 5, 2010 10:14:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
No one cares about what it took to build this country anymore. This generation only cares about now and instant gratification. They seem to forget that most of the major accomplishments in the last 200 years came from the hearts and minds of Americans. They forsake their past for the now.

Just my 2 cents.


Totally agree.

I think the media has totally ruined this country. It's all about blitz and fame, and no longer about hard work and respect. Makes me sick.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, July 6, 2010 1:41:08 AM(UTC)
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Our government was carefully crafted by the Founders to promote as much gridlock as possible. Gridlock is the only thing that keeps us even remotely free nowadays. Be grateful for gridlock. The less the federal government accomplishes, the more liberties you retain. An efficient government is truly a terrifying thing.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 6, 2010 2:17:19 AM(UTC)
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Our government was carefully crafted by the Founders to promote as much gridlock as possible. Gridlock is the only thing that keeps us even remotely free nowadays. Be grateful for gridlock. The less the federal government accomplishes, the more liberties you retain. An efficient government is truly a terrifying thing.


Good point. The problem for me is the size of the Government. Why can't they have gridlock in a much smaller scale?
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 6, 2010 6:39:34 AM(UTC)
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In my business I travel a great deal. Spend time in almost every state in America and province in Canada.

I do not think one can lump sum America as one single mindset.

When I was in New Zealand many Kiwis did not like Americans. The reason, they thought they were rude and pompous. I would tell them that is because you are only seeing the Americans who have the money to travel here to New Zealand. I would tell them if they went to fly over country the small towns in Iowa, Wisconsin, Idaho, Montana and such they would love Americans.

Los Angeles, New York breed a different type of American.

I will never forget the first person I spoke to in Los Angeles after arriving there from growing up in Canada. I was staying in down town Los Angeles. I had just checked it to a down town hotel. I went for a walk, and realized I had left my watch in the hotel.

I was dressed well enough in nice shorts and a golf shirt. A man in a business suit was walking toward me and I asked him: "Excuse me Sir do you have the time."

He never even looked me in the eye. He just said: "No I do not have a fucking dime. Get a job."

Was he a bad person? I doubt it. Was he a representative of all Americans? No. He was programed. I realized that with in 3 days as I was asked for money by about 50 people in my first three days down town.

Canadians on the other had. No matter whether in a big city or on the plains of Alberta or Manitoba generally are extremely kind. Canadians have "An Attitude Of Gratitude." Everything is "Please and Thank You."

I was in Cincinnati On September 11Th, that dreadful morning. For about 10 days after the attack on New York and Washington every person I met had an attitude of gratitude. Americans in a big city said Thank You. People stopped and waved you in to let you change lanes in the city. People said "Have a nice day." to store clerks and gas station attendants.

Milwaukee... Even in the city has wonderful people. Green Bay is like being in Canada. The kindest people who are grateful, friendly, and converse with strangers with genuine interest and kindness. It is the same in Boise, Billings, etc. etc.

Even Minneapolis. I was there, pulled over at a corner and was standing beside my car looking at a map. Two people pulled over and asked me if I needed help with directions.

That is not going to happen in New York. Baltimore. Los Angeles. or even the city of love San Francisco.

There is nothing wrong with America. Just stay away from both oceans and big cities near the Greaat Lakes.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 6, 2010 11:58:00 AM(UTC)
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the media has too much power. i don't need to know everything that's put on the airwaves. when we see every idiot ever born into this world doing something incredibly stupid, we start to believe there aren't any 'normal' people left.

i used to watch the news every nite. now if i watch it for 10 minutes in the morning, i'm doing good. i just don't care what's going on with paris hilton, any random sports figure, the politicians, or joe schmoe off the street. my life is good, i feel & show compassion for my fellow man, i pay my taxes, & don't try to piss anybody off. while this may make me sound complacent &/or narrow-minded, my world revolves around my life, my family, my friends, & of course packer football. i'm not interested in making a difference or changing the world - just want to live my life & enjoy it.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:15:15 PM(UTC)
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I would that if we continue seeing 'celebrities' and high profile people doing stupid things, it also gives us a built in excuse when we do something stupid. "oh so i drank an drove, so did Charlie Sheen and he's doing alright for himself".

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, July 6, 2010 1:52:23 PM(UTC)
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That is not going to happen in New York. Baltimore. Los Angeles. or even the city of love San Francisco.


ignorant generalizations much? christ. friendly does not necessarily mean engaging you in banal conversations about the local sports teams or the weather. every town, country or city has it's people and every person has their issues. i was born in Appleton and have lived in Milwaukee, Boston, New York and now Chapel Hill. New York was one of the most openly friendly places i've been...something outsiders and tourists just don't get or see though. during a particularly beautiful blizzard two random pedestrians came rushing up to catch me as a i slipped on a hidden ice/slush patch. and then i went on my way. we never spoke a word. this is just one example out of a handful of incredible years in that city. and you may not believe this one...but moving to Boston from Milwaukee actually made Boston seem pretty friendly (it's not exactly the general feeling a n00b in that city feels, trust me). and when i moved down to the south and witnessed that "southern hospitality" what i really saw was that instead of busting balls back and forth with people, they smile and nod and talk shit behind your back. yeah...real hospitable. but when it comes down to it, no place i've lived is any more or less "American" than the other. i loved and hated different things about each one...and they're the kind of things you can only feel or notice about a place if you've truly lived there. much like the rest of the world's generally ignorant/naive idea of what kind of country or people we all are.

p.s. this is *not* a "God Bless America" post by any means.
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I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, July 6, 2010 2:50:36 PM(UTC)
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I completely agree that we as a country, generalization yes, have forgotten "where we come from".

How this country was built and the premise that our freedoms were set upon, "we the people".

The question was poised why we have no respect for our leaders, well to be honest, what have our leaders of the past couple decades done to earn that respect?

Yes the constitution promotes gridlock as a device to promote democracy.. but being brutally honest, we are far removed from a democracy as intended. The voices of the people have been ignored for decades.. the ironic part is with the advances in communication it seems to degrade effective communication with our leaders in the opposite direction.

The country has very little trust left for one another.. communities which in size should be close knit and strong seem to be weathering right along the national path.. and it is sad. Heck, some town politics mimic Washington more and more.. ignore the citizens and spend like there is no limit. Tearing the very fabric of the country apart.. the moto echoed time and time again.. if we don't take advantage of the federal aid someone else will. Even if the local economy can't handle any more debt load than it already has.

Brilliant..

The hope I hold to is that sooner or later we will hit rock bottom and change because we have no option left.. from the top down or the bottom up... the only fear is that we will be to far gone to rebuild.

That time is nearing.. it has been building for years or decades.. they push that we are recovering economically, while I challenge that idea, one thing is for sure, we are not pulling together as a society.

Is it wrong to be individualistic? Self Serving? I am certainly not qualified to answer that.

But there is no doubt that we are a radically different country than we were a quarter to half century ago. Hell are we even honestly worthy of the name "United" States?

In my opinion, as it stand now.. no.

Katrina, the oil spill and the recession (depression) are living proof of that. And now that unemployment for thousands has run out.. it will become even more apparent. The division of this country will be exposed even further, yet we still fight the never ending war to the tune of what 8 to 10 billion a month.

I am all for protecting our freedoms and thanking those that sacrifice for us, our country... but unless things improve rapidly, what will be left that they fought for?

At the end of my ramblings.. I will summarize with this.. I think there are more questions about the direction of this nation than answers.. and that is never a good position to be in.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, July 6, 2010 2:58:15 PM(UTC)
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i so wish the country could have stayed in the era of the 50's. at least my mom waxes poetic about those days. never had to worry about going on your bike to see friends a few blocks away. there weren't 'bad' people lurking around every corner. the economy was good. people sat on their front porches & socialized with their neighbors etc...

i am fortunate to live on a dead end street in a very quiet part of our town. mostly retired people live on our street & i know none of them would ever let anything happen to my boys. they're all at least 65 over older & love watching the boys riding their bikes & razor three wheelers up & down the street. whenever we're out, magically the old crowd get out of their recliners & head out to their porches. those nights are wonderful.
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