Aaron Rodgers = Top Rated QB in the NFL after Week 8· Page 3

zombieslayer
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14 years ago

He is too busy running for his life or laying on his back to take chances. He is already taking plenty of chances by playing behind that oline :P

"cheeseheads123" wrote:

Well said. Playing behind our OL IS taking risks.

Absolutely amazing he's #1 in rating, especially in a year where:
1) Peyton Manning is statistically having the best year of his life,
2) Brett Favre is looking like he's 26 again,
3) Drew Brees might lead the Saints to their first SB win and he's currently #1 on my list for MVP.
4) We've NEVER seen this many QBs with a 100+ rating this late in the season. I know it's only mid-season, but this many? Unreal.
5) And of course being behind the worst OL in the league.

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gbguy20
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14 years ago

#22

way to go rodgers

Zero2Cool
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14 years ago

#23

He's taken some chances already this year. I can think of two off the top of my head.

Both of Drivers one handed grabs were while he was heavily covered. Oh, last week, the TD to Jennings, he had a dude hanging on Jennings when he threw him the ball.

Rodgers is still taking chances. He's taking smart chances, not stupid "fling it up and hope your guy comes down with it" chances.

"Rockmolder" wrote:

Like I said, they're all going to Jennings. Both throws to Driver where in one on one coverage with a cornerback. It'd be routine catches, if it wheren't for the obvious holds on either one.

Maybe I'm just nitpicking this a little, or maybe he just hasn't had the oppurtinities to make those throws, but it really looks to me like we're seeing less and less of those 'risky' ones.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I think you are nitpicking because he has thrown quite a few into double/triple coverage. And if he throws MORE people wil lthen start bashing him for throwing it into coverage.

Really, how does the guy win with fans? Even if the Packers were 7 - 0 I'm willing to bet the same people would be knocking him for something and crediting the wins to the defense or special teams or having a great set of WR.

WhiskeySam
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14 years ago

#24

QB rating is kind of a lame stat to me. It was made up by basically some random guy in his mother's basement and that suddenly became "the" stat for QBs.

It doesn't take into account sacks or "clutch", etc. Plus I bet if you look it up, Matt Schuab has a better QB rating than most HOF'ers. The QB rating stat was made for a completely different era and QB position.

Yes Rodgers numbers are impressive but I am more impressed by his ability sometimes to escape the pocket lately, extend the play and find the open guy. He has shown improvement in this regard. Plus lately his ability to use different receivers instead of just looking downfield to Jennings or Driver.

And I LOVED at the end of the Vikings games where he threw a couple of risky passes that were almost picked off. They were threading the needle but down 38-26 and the other team not in prevent defense like last Vikings game, he was forced to take risks and he did it. I'd rather have him take more risks, does that mean more INTs, less completions and lower QB rating, sure but you have to take those risks sometimes.

People call Favre, Mr. Int but he's also one of the most winningiest QBs ever with a lot of medicoure teams and plus his INT/TD ratio is probably really good I would bet too.

The whole "do anything but throw an INT" thing works if you are a VERY good team or have an awesome defense like the Ravens of 2002. They just need a QB to sit there and not make the big mistake but the Packers are NOT that good, so you have to take the risks.

"RedSoxExcel" wrote:

The QB rating stat wasn't made up by some random guy in his mom's basement. It was designed by the Vice President of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. That said, it is an overrated stat. The original design of the statistic was for average QBs to have a 66.6 rating. In recent years the average has been in the mid 80s. Some of the assumptions and constants in the equation are no longer valid as teams now throw more high percentage short passes combined with the advanced sophistication of the passing game in general. For example, if Rodgers throws the ball away on half his sacks this year, his rating drops to 102. If he throws the ball away on every sack, he drops into the high 90s. I'd rather have a guy with 200 less yards lost to sacks and a rating in the 90s than a guy with a 110 rating who has 31 sacks and 200 yards lost. I'm not blaming Rodgers for all of his sacks, just using this as an example of how the QB rating works.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/brett-favre-and-the-interception-myth/

Now, as for Rodgers, I don't know that he needs to start forcing passes. There are times he needs to make decisions faster. Throw the ball away, pull it down and run, maybe take a chance in certain situations, any of those would be preferable to losing yardage from taking sack after sack. This doesn't absolve the playcalling or offensive line at all, but there are some things Rodgers can do to improve his play.

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Rockmolder
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14 years ago

#25

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

"Rockmolder" wrote:

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

He wins with me. He's been simply amazing. Fact is, though, that even the Patriots (fans) find things to improve with Brady, the Colts (fans) find things to improve with Peyton and the Vikes (fans) find things they want to improve on with Adrian Peterson. I'm a huge Rodgers fan, but there's always some room for improvement.

I think he's doing great. I'm just not seeing those throws into those small windows. Like you said, maybe I'm nitpicking on the deep throws a little. And the other throws might be due to lack of production. Those slants he through right in between two linebackers to hit his receiver for instance. We've been running way less slants. But when we do, I see him going through his progressions, not seeing anyone deep, take off an scramble, watch the receiver running the short route, but not throw it there.

Of course, they're pretty well covered in my scenario, but a year ago, he just threw it right on the spot and didn't seem to mind making those throws on occasion. This year, he's holding the ball and taking the sack every time, it seems.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a sack than an interception, but there's a fine line between forcing things and just threading the needle.

yooperfan
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#26

I personally think that Rodgers is not aggressive enough.
There are three reasons that he is not agressive enought at this point in time.
1. Poor offensive line.
2. Poor running game ( perhaps due to offensive line )
3. Lack of experience ( 2nd year starter )

I project Rodgers to lead the Packers to multiple titles over the next 10 years if #1 and #2 are ever straightened out.
This kid has star QB written all over him once it all comes together.

zombieslayer
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14 years ago

#27

Well, I'll go as far as saying a running game is not really needed. It just has to be there. It doesn't have to be good.

We DO need an OL though. While other QBs throw INTs that kill drives, Rodgers gets sacked to end a drive. With a decent OL, we'd greatly increase Points and Points are what win games. You don't score points when you punt the ball.

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ILikeThePackers39
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14 years ago

#28

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

+1 - he's definitely winging it out there, just not committing the godawful boneheaded mistakes.

I spent some time (funny how you have more time to watch film when you can't play an instrument for 2+ months - stupid hand surgery) looking at highlights from Sunday's games, and I'm convinced that the short, quick throws were dialed up but covered - under those circumstances, the lack of INTs is just stunning.

We're a damn lucky fanbase to get this kid right after Favre.

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evad04
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14 years ago

#29

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

Just to clarify, are you saying for the game the short passes were dialed up but covered? Basically I'm wondering if you're making any qualification as to when in the game the short, quick throws were called. Some hold the opinion that poor play calling was essentially the result of not calling these types of plays. I know this isn't what you were talking about -- in any case it presented an opportunity for me to beg the question, especially in lieu of your film study.

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ILikeThePackers39
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14 years ago

#30

Picks on quick slants turn into Pick-6's really easily. If he's going to force a throw, I don't want it to be the quick slant.

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