nerdmann
14 years ago

Rodgers played a poor game in the first half yesterday but played an exceptional game in the second half.. that speaks well to him overall.

"pack93z" wrote:



McCarthy started to help him out a bit in the second half too. Why we're running these slow-developing 5 and 7 step drops when we can't protect a lick is beyond me. Call some three step drops and let your WRs make some plays after the catch.

"TOPackerFan" wrote:



Exactly.. stated that in a couple threads here.. tried to keep these positive threads positive.. lol.

But Mike McCarthy and the first half play calling was silly as hell.. people point at the D, but they manned up and made some stops in this game..

"pack93z" wrote:




That's right. The Offense couldn't do jack in the first half, causing the Vikes to get the ball at midfield every single time. This is not on the D, by far.
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nerdmann
14 years ago

I didn't get to see the first Vikings game, but I can say that the entire first half of last night's game, I was having flashbacks to the 2007 Cowboys game in which Favre inexplicably came out throwing long bombs that were promptly intercepted. Time after time, McCarthy's gameplanning seems to break down in the really big games. It's like he out-thinks and intimidates himself. A little less trickery and a lot more playing to our personnel's strengths would be a welcome change.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




Yeah, why always try to trick or finesse them? Why not just be better than them? We showed we could do that in the second half.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
nerdmann
14 years ago

I didn't get to see the first Vikings game, but I can say that the entire first half of last night's game, I was having flashbacks to the 2007 Cowboys game in which Favre inexplicably came out throwing long bombs that were promptly intercepted. Time after time, McCarthy's gameplanning seems to break down in the really big games. It's like he out-thinks and intimidates himself. A little less trickery and a lot more playing to our personnel's strengths would be a welcome change.

"evad04" wrote:

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Outclassed and outcoached, the story of Mike McCarthy in big games!!

"buckeyepackfan" wrote:


Didn't A-Rod come in and direct the offense with relative success in that Cowboys game? So ... when Favre failed (looked like a nutcase in that came) it's McCarthy's poor gameplan. Then Rodgers comes in and ...

Just wondering. Who gets the credit? I say follow the trend on these boards. When Rodgers came in against the Cowboys two years ago, it wasn't McCarthy's playcalling at ALL -- it was Rodgers playing well.

Now, Rodgers leads the NFL in QB rating (not the be-all-end-all statistic, and yes, he's been sacked 31 times and that's the big problem) but none of the credit goes to the head coach.

I've been accused now formally by buckeye as being a McCarthy apologist/defender (see the shot box). I really don't think that's what I'm doing. I do however think that threads that call for his firing are premature and unwarranted. I just think we need to see the positives along with the negatives.

If Rodgers is -- sans the ridiculous volume of sacks -- having a very good year, are we to assume it's happening in a vacuum? Sure, Rodgers is the absolute shit (which I'd agree with) but the playcalling is crap and our head coach sucks. This is such a logical disconnect it makes me sick to my stomach. Rodgers is the quarterback he is in at least moderate respect to the coach with whom he's built a strong relationship with: McCarthy.

Rodgers can't be playing great without McCarthy's impact, but NO ONE is making that argument. One of the reasons why is the seemingly horny obsession with blaming just about everything on our head coach.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




The head coach is responsible for having his team ready to play. MM's teams have consistently come out playing ugly to start games, have consistently had WAY to many penalties, especially in key backbreaking positions and have played quite sloppily.
How many times do the QB and RB have to trip over each other before fans start calling them out? Happened three times in this game, just off the top of my head. One of which caused a fumble. They fumble like this just about once a game.
A couple weeks ago, Arodge was play actioning to a RB that had already run out for a pass.
Then you have the false starts, holding penalties, etc. We have more kick returns with penalties than we do without.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
nerdmann
14 years ago

evad04, if you were a little more open minded and less quick to judge, you might understand what I'm trying to say. I have been giving Mike McCarthy credit for a great deal of Aaron Rodgers' exceptional performance. I have stated explicitly and repeatedly that he does have the intelligence and ability to create good gameplans, and when he does, our team excels. In the third quarter, we came out with the kind of strategy we should have been employing from the first play of the first quarter -- and it worked brilliantly. In the 2007 Cowboys game, when Rodgers took over in relief, he played a short-pass, quick-strike game that also worked very well -- and was precisely what everyone expected the Packers to play coming into the game. It was the early attempts at subterfuge that put us two scores down. The moment Favre reared back to uncork those bombs, I was on my feet screaming -- well before they fell into the hands of the waiting defenders. It was a strategy that made no sense.

I readily acknowledge McCarthy is able to draft an excellent gameplan when he doesn't overthink himself. That doesn't mean I won't call him to task when he screws up. In fact, it's because I know he can do it that I judge him so harshly. It's not his talent I question -- it's his stubborness I despise.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




I take more issue with his ability to get guys read to play.
I propose a Packers Drinking Game.
Every time one of the following happens, drink!
-Whenever the Oline gets a penalty.
-Whenever the defense gets a phantom "reputation" penalty.
-Whenever the QB and RB run into each other, trip over each other or somehow miscommunicate.
-Penalties on kick returns.
-Missed FG from 45+ yards.
-Sacks. Extra drink of the guy came unblocked.

It's a pattern, and it has gone on for years. Anybody want to play?
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nerdmann
14 years ago

I didn't drink a drop yesterday, but had laid in a case of Blue Moon.

The temperature in the garage is dropping rapidly.

That's all I got right now. It's a good one, though. :icon_smile:

Oh, and my quarterback is incredibly friggin' awesome when I consider the lack of help he gets from his line and/or running backs...

At least I know for sure he is trying to make a play. People seem to bitch about some sacks that are "on him"... He ought to wear those as badges of honor...He is a gamer.

"dfosterf" wrote:




He won't be ABLE to run for his life anymore with TWO sprained feet. Those hits are adding up.
He is responsible for losing this game more than anyone else, btw. It's his play (or lack thereof) in the first half that cost us this game.
Which kind of mitigates it a bit. Since it was all about defending him over The Other Guy.
He did seem to learn how to get rid of it fast on blitzes tho. Nice to see him start doing that. I've never seen him do that consistently before.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I'd rather avoid acute alcohol poisoning.
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RaiderPride
14 years ago



I propose a Packers Drinking Game.

Every time one of the following happens, drink!

-Whenever the Oline gets a penalty.
-Whenever the defense gets a phantom "reputation" penalty.
-Whenever the QB and RB run into each other, trip over each other or somehow miscommunicate.
-Penalties on kick returns.
-Missed FG from 45+ yards.
-Sacks. Extra drink of the guy came unblocked.

"nerdmann" wrote:



NOPE! Bad Idea... Drinking is meant for celebrating... Not negative plays.

How about we have to smoke crack every time one of these happens, and drink during T.D's and Field Goals?
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zombieslayer
14 years ago

Aaron has the number one passer rating in the NFL.

www.cbssports.com/nfl/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2009/regular

"RaiderPride" wrote:



I love Aaron, and I'm proud of him. He played a fine game. It's just, our OL sucked, AP kicked Grant's ass, their STs were superior, their playcalling was better, and Brent was near perfect.

Congrats to Aaron.

And RP, I love how you always find the positives. Let me know when you're in SF. First two drinks are on me.
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