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Offline Since69  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:51:21 PM(UTC)
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The sexiest part of a 3-4 defense is its outside linebackers. They're the ones that gets the sacks (and probably, the cheerleaders).

IMO, however, the most important part of a 3-4 is the defensive line in general, and the defensive tackle in particular. When I think of a 3-4 DT, I think of a space-eater: someone who can take on two blockers and not get pushed backwards. Vince Wilfork, Grady Jackson, Casey Hampton, etc.

Do we have that guy? Pickett is the obvious choice, but what about Colin Cole? Justin Harrell? Johnny Jolly? Physically, we have several players who could fit the bill:

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Pickett 6-2 330
Cole 6-1 330
Jolly 6-3 320
Harrell 6-4 320
Bledsoe (PS) 6-3 329


Is is possible that one or more of these, while not excelling in a 4-3, could be a good fit for the 3-4?

And if not, who's available that we could pick up?

Obviously, Albert Haynesworth. But what about Tommie Harris? Rocky Bernard? Tank Johnson? (OK, forget Tank).
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:55:18 PM(UTC)
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Why forget Tank? He hasn't got in any trouble since going to Dallas.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:00:42 PM(UTC)
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I think Tank would be a good pickup. He will not be a high salary player and will fit at DE pretty good with Jenkins and Kampman.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:01:06 PM(UTC)
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Why forget Tank? He hasn't got in any trouble since going to Dallas.


Because he struggled in the 3-4 there.. one game I think Tank was yelling at Roy Williams to get the hell out of the way I am coming through with a guard still kicking the shit out of him.

In other words.. he struggled going from the Chitown 4-3 to the 3-4... not enough marbles in the drawers. IMO.. doesn't fit the NT.. end maybe?
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:28:40 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, he'd work as an end.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:42:53 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, he'd work as an end.


I'm not too sure about that. He seemed to have his best years in a one gap Tampa-2 scheme. We're already going to be playing with one guy who I think is best suited in a one-gap defense (Jenkins), no need to bring in another.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:49:38 PM(UTC)
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I think we are good with what we have at the nose. No need to bring in any free agents at this position.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:27:00 PM(UTC)
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I think we are good with what we have at the nose. No need to bring in any free agents at this position.


I agree. Even if you don't think Pickett is the ideal NT, he should be passable. And given that he has no other position, releasing him plus signing a FA (of which only Haynesworth is a significant upgrade) just isn't worth the cost.

With that said, a NT does need to be drafted. Pickett is on the wrong side of 30 and it would be foolish not to have a replacement ready when his contract expires.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:32:27 AM(UTC)
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Ideally, you want anybody over 6-2 and 325.

It looks wide open with the sizes you listed. But I give Pickett and Cole the edge.

Harrell could be a surprise and Bledsoe can be a dark horse. I mean... we have to have signed Bledsoe for a reason, right?
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:13:31 AM(UTC)
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Harrell is a huge dude. He could be the NT if he stays healthy.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:33:43 AM(UTC)
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Harrell is a huge dude. He could be the NT if he stays healthy.


There was talk about him being a 34 DE in his draft year, so maybe we shed him back down to around 300 pounds and use him there. Maybe carrying less weight will help him out health wise too.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:50:43 AM(UTC)
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Harrell is a huge dude. He could be the NT if he stays healthy.


There was talk about him being a 34 DE in his draft year, so maybe we shed him back down to around 300 pounds and use him there. Maybe carrying less weight will help him out health wise too.

It's funny, the more and more I hear about this 3-4 defense the more I think that Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson has this in planning before this year...
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:14:52 AM(UTC)
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So what do the 3 men down do in a 3-4? Basically stuff the run? shut the gaps down and take the runner out of the middle there?

So our OLBs either take out the runner on their side of the ball - take up screens and/or short passes and of course QB rush.

I bet well have kampman as a OLB (big but too small for a downline man in a 3-4). Perhaps they will use him as a OLB/DE kind of a mix depending on what our new DC calls for.

Then we just need another prime OLB/DE type of guy. Orankpo (ya spelling) or suggs or peppers. I woudl be extatic if we got 2 of the 3 above.
We got enough LBs atm to cover what we need.

Perhaps we can get away with not having to FA/draft a big NT and just use pickett or Colin. I always liked how jenkins played so hes a for sure downline man DE.

Id expect them to pick up 1-2 decent O guys also.
We seem to have enough WRs and TEs and enough RBs (Kuhn as a FB seemed to work well when they used him on occasion).

Dont know where else they would fill out the O besides the line. They would have to spend too much to get a RB better then grant/jackson
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#14 Posted : Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:35:02 PM(UTC)
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It's funny, the more and more I hear about this 3-4 defense the more I think that Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson has this in planning before this year...


I kinda get the same feeling. Remember how confused we were when we cut Tracy White? We did it so we could move Danny Lansanah to the active roster to keep the Tuna from stealing him for Miami. We all know how much Tuna loves the 3-4...

Lansanah's got the right size (6-1, 250-ish) for a pass-rush LB. And good speed, if I remember the preseason correctly...
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#15 Posted : Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:00:46 PM(UTC)
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How dare you guys make these base allegations of competence and foresight when it's transparently obvious to everyone Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson haven't the faintest clue what they're doing? :D
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