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Offline RedSoxExcel  
#91 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:06:57 AM(UTC)
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My honest opinion on him hasn't changed.

The reason I miss Favre. Rodgers has had a good year. But I'm still looking for that signature drive. That defining drive. He's had chance after chance. Whereas Favre took the team to tie the game against Oakland with no timeouts from the 5 yard line (should have won in OT if Baker didn't fall on his face), the Chiefs game and now this. TWO beautiful "game-winning" drives.

With Rodgers it will come with time. But right now he isn't "that" QB. He's had chances against Tampa, Atlanta, Titans and Vikings (and those are 4 loses).

He's had a decent year because statistically he's played well. But in terms of wins and losses and clutch, he's average at best.

And why does everyone have a need to defend him or make excuses for him when so many people get worked up at people that make excuses or defend Favre. Sure the O-line isn't the greatest. But he also holds on to the ball for WAY too long. It's the same O-line and RB from last year but Favre has an uncanny ability to sense pressure and make quick decisoins.

"It was a combination of we didn't do the fundamentals the way we know how to and me probably holding the ball a little too long," Rodgers said. "They did a great job. You've got to give them credit."

He's said it himself. But now someway, somehow he will probably be praised to "taking the blame".

All I'm saying is be objective. Everytime someone mentions the "o-line", you should also mention Rodgers holding on to the ball too much.
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#92 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 11:38:52 AM(UTC)
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If I am not mistaken just last week Rodgers did drive the Packers down field for the winning FG. It was not his fault that Crosby kicked wide right. The drive may not have been an 80 yarder but he got them into FG position despite the conservative play calling. On that series the QB did his job. There were serveral other drives just before the half in other games that he got them into scoring position only to have Crosby choke under the pressure.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#93 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 12:29:20 PM(UTC)
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All I'm saying is be objective.

Only if we could get some to practice what they preach.

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Offline dhazer  
#94 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 12:35:11 PM(UTC)
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cmon guys lets not make this a Rodgers vs Brett thread the later is gone and there is nothing we can do about it. We are stuck with the kid so lets just live with it and stop the comparing.
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#95 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 3:23:14 PM(UTC)
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Well, I'll go on record saying I don't mind being "stuck with the kid."

Over the balance of one year you have something to compare something too.

Over the balance of five to ten years you've got no comparison because the other guys got no numbers which to me is extremely important vs. wishing we had a guy that could produce like the kid we are are stuck with now but don't because we were "stuck" on what we could do in 2008.
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#96 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 3:59:36 PM(UTC)
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rodgers is doing his job people - a helluva lot better than ALOT of nfl qb's. clearly that puts him above average. may sound fundamental but it's the plain & simple truth.
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Offline IronMan  
#97 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:19:30 PM(UTC)
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Who voted below average? One is probably Vikesrule. LOL

The other two?
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#98 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 5:15:45 PM(UTC)
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#99 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 5:46:59 PM(UTC)
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I always wanted to know why about those two.. it has been explained. :lol:

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#100 Posted : Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:27:08 AM(UTC)
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All I'm saying is be objective.

Only if we could get some to practice what they preach.


Can you please explain what that means? Can you point to where you think I havn't been objective about Favre (assuming that is what you are eluding to).

People arn't objective about Rodgers, its true. The guy stinks it up in Minnesota and there was a Rodgers appreciation thread. He stands in the pocket too long and takes unnecessary hits and he gets a thread about how tough he is. He is certainly tough, I will give him that. He has taken big hits and got up and sure the O-line has sucked beyond sucked. But Rodgers deserves blame too, he holds on to the ball too long. And some of those hits are avoidable if he senses the pressure or moves out of the pocket. I'd rather have someone that can sense the pressure than someone that is "tough" and takes unnecessary hits.

He's "way above average" in this thread when he's 4-5 on a team that was 13-3 last year with only one major change in the offence. And couldn't lead the team to a come back with the ball in his hand against Tampa, Atlanta, Tennessee and Minnesota. I will edit this because I guess it depends on what you define as "way above average". To me its a top QB in the league, like top 7 in a 32 QB league but if its beyond that then, I guess he is there.

And oh please that he led them to the game winning drive against the Vikings but Crosby messed it up. They started the drive on the 42 yard line I think with over 2 minutes left and you end up with a 53 yard field goal? Come on, I think thats grasping at straws.

Yes, he has exceeded expectations and is having a great year statiscally. He is doing way better than I thought he would given the circumstances and pressure he's had. YES, I know about his "QB Rating". I also know that (heading into the 2007 season) Dan Marino had a career QB rating of 86, Brady has 88 or 89, John Elway had 80, Bart Starr had 80. And Daunte Culpepper had 90. Does that mean anything?

http://www.profootballho.../story.jsp?story_id=2356

In an ideal world he goes out there and proves me wrong and we're back on track for the playoffs.

BUT lets wait until we "crown" him. He still can't seem to make quick decisions, he doesn't have good pocket presence, etc. And also its MM's fault. He plays too conservative. Let the kid open it up more. We have JENNINGS! At the end of the day, he is a very capable starting QB in the NFL. In a league where Culpepper is starting and Brad Johnson is starting and Gus is starting, etc. He is very capable and has potential. I think the future is bright for this team and him. But right now he hasn't showed it IMO and I think people are giving him a bit too much credit and not enough criticism. It's like watching the media coverage of Obama sometimes.
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#101 Posted : Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:48:55 AM(UTC)
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And oh please that he led them to the game winning drive against the Vikings but Crosby messed it up. They started the drive on the 42 yard line I think with over 2 minutes left and you end up with a 53 yard field goal? Come on, I think thats grasping at straws.


2 runs that totaled THREE YARDS and a safe pass to DD...

He could have checked off, or could have went to a different WR but he went with what was called in, so its his fault?

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And also its Mike McCarthy's fault. He plays too conservative. Let the kid open it up more. We have JENNINGS!


How can you blame him for that drive, then say Mike McCarthy is to blame too? I would think as I pointed out b4 that he went with what was calle din..So he does what he is told..


B4 you get in a bundy, I am asking honest questions, not trying to cause anything and not being sarcastic
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#102 Posted : Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:17:13 AM(UTC)
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And oh please that he led them to the game winning drive against the Vikings but Crosby messed it up. They started the drive on the 42 yard line I think with over 2 minutes left and you end up with a 53 yard field goal? Come on, I think thats grasping at straws.


2 runs that totaled THREE YARDS and a safe pass to DD...

He could have checked off, or could have went to a different WR but he went with what was called in, so its his fault?

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
And also its Mike McCarthy's fault. He plays too conservative. Let the kid open it up more. We have JENNINGS!




How can you blame him for that drive, then say Mike McCarthy is to blame too? I would think as I pointed out b4 that he went with what was calle din..So he does what he is told..


B4 you get in a bundy, I am asking honest questions, not trying to cause anything and not being sarcastic


I agree, that is my fault. I should have put the Mike McCarthy part earlier in the post. I don't think it is all his fault, it is also MM. The playcalling I said in another thread too was horrible in the Vikings game. They were basically playing for a 50+ FG for some reason. But the only positive play Rodgers had on that drive was when he threw it at a Vikings players head and it bounced off his head and went into Drivers hand. So I don't think he was exactly clutch either. Even if you take away the last drive, Rodgers had a horrible game, he looked lost and confused. The O-line sucking completly threw him off his game. He was missing reads and throwing balls way off target. And generally not sensing the pressure or moving out of the pocket at key times.

But overall, I agree, it is a combination of things but I'd like to see "that" defining moment before I "crown" him (or a couple more wins). To go from a team that I think was 8-1 at this point (that or 7-2) to 4-5 and only one position changes. It's tough for me to give the QB that came in a lot of credit like most others are. To me anyway, a QB that is elite wins you at least one of those 4 games, regardless of how.

He has by far exceeded my expectations because I thought he was going to fold under the pressure of the whole Favre expectations. But he has done well and sometimes he makes me even forget about the F word with his play. But for me anyway, its been a whole lot of potential and not a whole lot of substance. Because he HAS to improve in the pocket (in terms of making quick decisions and sensing pressure).


Also lets take some bigger risks when we're down (which might be Mike McCarthy coaching him to protect the ball at all costs). That Cowboys game killed me. We're down and we were playing like we're up with 3 mins to go. I know everyone will jump down my throat with "well you'd rather have him throw an INT then!". No, I wouldn't. But I'd rather have our team "go" for it then just sit back and take what is given to us. We are 4-5. So clearly that attitude of sitting and waiting hasn't worked - but this is getting completely off topic as this is related to MM.
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#103 Posted : Saturday, November 15, 2008 4:06:33 AM(UTC)
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And oh please that he led them to the game winning drive against the Vikings but Crosby messed it up. They started the drive on the 42 yard line I think with over 2 minutes left and you end up with a 53 yard field goal? Come on, I think thats grasping at straws.


2 runs that totaled THREE YARDS and a safe pass to DD...

He could have checked off, or could have went to a different WR but he went with what was called in, so its his fault?

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
And also its Mike McCarthy's fault. He plays too conservative. Let the kid open it up more. We have JENNINGS!




How can you blame him for that drive, then say Mike McCarthy is to blame too? I would think as I pointed out b4 that he went with what was calle din..So he does what he is told..


B4 you get in a bundy, I am asking honest questions, not trying to cause anything and not being sarcastic


I agree, that is my fault. I should have put the Mike McCarthy part earlier in the post. I don't think it is all his fault, it is also Mike McCarthy. The playcalling I said in another thread too was horrible in the Vikings game. They were basically playing for a 50+ FG for some reason. But the only positive play Rodgers had on that drive was when he threw it at a Vikings players head and it bounced off his head and went into Drivers hand. So I don't think he was exactly clutch either. Even if you take away the last drive, Rodgers had a horrible game, he looked lost and confused. The O-line sucking completly threw him off his game. He was missing reads and throwing balls way off target. And generally not sensing the pressure or moving out of the pocket at key times.

But overall, I agree, it is a combination of things but I'd like to see "that" defining moment before I "crown" him (or a couple more wins). To go from a team that I think was 8-1 at this point (that or 7-2) to 4-5 and only one position changes. It's tough for me to give the QB that came in a lot of credit like most others are. To me anyway, a QB that is elite wins you at least one of those 4 games, regardless of how.

He has by far exceeded my expectations because I thought he was going to fold under the pressure of the whole Favre expectations. But he has done well and sometimes he makes me even forget about the F word with his play. But for me anyway, its been a whole lot of potential and not a whole lot of substance. Because he HAS to improve in the pocket (in terms of making quick decisions and sensing pressure).


Also lets take some bigger risks when we're down (which might be Mike McCarthy coaching him to protect the ball at all costs). That Cowboys game killed me. We're down and we were playing like we're up with 3 mins to go. I know everyone will jump down my throat with "well you'd rather have him throw an INT then!". No, I wouldn't. But I'd rather have our team "go" for it then just sit back and take what is given to us. We are 4-5. So clearly that attitude of sitting and waiting hasn't worked - but this is getting completely off topic as this is related to Mike McCarthy.


And further more!!!.... I'm sorry, what was the question?
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#104 Posted : Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:12:10 PM(UTC)
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I did vote him slightly above average but that was before the Vikings game. I have to go with R.S.E. on some of his points. Rodgers didn't look good in that game at all. Some of the blame should go on the line and some should go to MM.

Maybe Rodgers was just having a bad game but he didn't look sharp. Maybe all the hits he has taken this season has made him nervous in the pocket. I can't blame him for that too much because he hasn't had much help staying upright. A good line can make an average QB look good and a bad line can make a good QB look bad.

He doesn't seem to be able to sense preasure. That will come with experience but he seems to have regressed the last game. Maybe it's the lack of practicing since the injury. He looked better at the beginning of the season than he looks now.

If I were to grade him based on the last game I would give him a below average grade.
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#105 Posted : Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:32:28 PM(UTC)
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And oh please that he led them to the game winning drive against the Vikings but Crosby messed it up. They started the drive on the 42 yard line I think with over 2 minutes left and you end up with a 53 yard field goal? Come on, I think thats grasping at straws.


2 runs that totaled THREE YARDS and a safe pass to DD...

He could have checked off, or could have went to a different WR but he went with what was called in, so its his fault?

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
And also its Mike McCarthy's fault. He plays too conservative. Let the kid open it up more. We have JENNINGS!


How can you blame him for that drive, then say Mike McCarthy is to blame too? I would think as I pointed out b4 that he went with what was calle din..So he does what he is told..


B4 you get in a bundy, I am asking honest questions, not trying to cause anything and not being sarcastic



safe pass , the 2nd one hits wyms on the helmet , it should have been picked , i don't blame Mike McCarthy for not trusting him,
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