James Jones 'never doubted' he'd thrive again· Page 4

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

8 years ago

Not sure if should split this into it's own topic or not? OH well.

2013 Jarrett Boykin started eight games (663 snaps) and had 49 receptions, 681 yards with 3 TD's.
2013 James Jones started 14 games (847 snaps) and had 59 receptions, 817 yards and 3 TD's.

Are you going to pay a WR3 $3.3 million for that production when you are you high on someone younger and is going to cost you less than a $1 million for the season? Additionally, you know you have to shell out some cash to retain Randall Cobb.

Jarrett Boykin was a pleasant surprise in 2013 and equally disappointing in 2014.

musccy
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#32

In fact, the Packers would have likely easily made it to the Super Bowl had Rodgers just been a little more healthy.

What if.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

Good point that we (or I) quickly forget. Look how valuable his scrambling has been through the first 5 weeks and that element was completely lost in the game last year. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...

The most important part of this is the Packers probably saved 5-7(ish) million (depending on how contract was structured) to re-sign JJ ($11m / 3 years = roughly 3.8/year - Packers paying him 875ish now), they got Ringo in exchange out of the ordeal, and now have a pretty darn productive 31 y.o. WR on their roster along with some other productive youth that I speculate may not have been drafted if JJ was retained initially.

greengold
Member

8 years ago

#33

Originally Posted by: musccy

And not to quibble about a few hundred thousand, but James Jones salary cap hit is only $585k with the veteran minimum exemption. That is lower than Montgomery's cap hit!

I'm with the camp that says the only reason he's here is Jordy's not here. But we're damn glad to have him. 👍

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#34

Exactly. One could endlessly dive through the what if game and it would be nothing but conjecture. But the fact remains that the Packers absolutely did not need James Jones to make it to the Super Bowl last season. They had more than enough talent and simply had a historically bad choke. Sure, James Jones would have helped. Having more good players always helps. But the Packers didn't need him to go to the Super Bowl. From my perspective, that's all that can really be said about the issue without wild speculation. In fact, the Packers would have likely easily made it to the Super Bowl had Rodgers just been a little more healthy.

What if.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

the point wasn't that the Packers didn't have enough talent without him, it was that he would have helped, he would have improved the team, thus improving the chance. Which is the reason why it might end up being Teds biggest personnel mistake. JJ was here and would have been willing to stay for less than he got from Oak had the team signed him prior. There are not many moves made that so easily and cheaply could have been the difference between NFC Championship and SB.

Who wouldn't spend 3 million or less extra to get to the SB rather than NFC championship?

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

8 years ago

#35

If spending money were any way to guarantee a Super Bowl appearance, the Cowboys and Redskins come to mind as teams that would have been there recently.

James Jones does not win any of the four losses or the NFC Championship game. If anything, he could have cost the team a win seeing as he most likely would have slowed Davante Adams maturation process and Adams wouldn't have had those two key games against Patriots and Cowboys.

Packers lost to Seahawks by 20, to Lions by 12, to Saints by 21 and to the Bills by 8. I'm just not seeing how James Jones changes any of those outcomes nor the NFC Championship game. Now if you tell me that James Jones would have been on the onside kick team instead of Brandon Bostick ... then you might be onto something lol

musccy
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#36

Now if you tell me that James Jones would have been on the onside kick team instead of Brandon Bostick ... then you might be onto something lol

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

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DoddPower
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#37

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

But my point is it can't be considered some huge mistake by Ted Thompson (I don't consider it a mistake at all) because the Packers had plenty of talent to beat the Seahawks to advance to the Super Bowl and they absolutely should have. More talent would always be nice. The same things you're saying about James Jones could be said about many free agents throughout the years. Many of them could have helped the Packers, theoretically. Perhaps many of those cases were mistakes, because Ted Thompson usually signs pretty good free agents when he actually signs them (e.g. Woodson, Pickett, Peppers, et al.). But I can't consider not overpaying for James Jones a mistake when the Packers should have made it to the Super Bowl anyway. Moreover, letting older players go is the heart of a draft and develop philosophy, for better or worse.

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