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Offline play2win  
#76 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:23:21 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
I forgot EVERY FRICKIN' DRAFT PICK IS SUPPOSED TO COME TO THE PACKERS AND IMMEDIALTY BECOME A SUPERSTAR OR HE IS A BUST.

ONE MORE TIME, BRANDON JACKSON WAS NOT A "BIG MISS", HE WASN'T A "BIG HIT".





No one said superstar or bust. That's just you ratcheting up the hyperbole to suit your needs.

This is about a very simple point on maximizing the impact with early picks, and hoping the team can do that.

I'm sorry, I happen to think Colledge and Jackson, and, yes, Worthy, who I think is a poser and too small to be effective, were BIG misses. That's my opinion.

Colledge was never a "solid" starter, but just a starter by default. Jackson was never a "good" RB, but he did make some great contributions along the way in 2010. It was without a doubt his best of 4 seasons. In his 4th season he finally learned how to pass protect.
Offline DakotaT  
#77 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:24:32 PM(UTC)
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Brandon Jackson was drafted to be our running back in the zone blocking scheme because what he played in college. He didn't cut the mustard and Ryan Grant came in and played. Brandon Jackson was then relegated to 3rd down back. This stuff isn't that complicated.

Brandon Jackson was just another disappointment, but Ryan Grant saved the day. Same thing with KGB and Jamaal Reynolds. Moving on!!!
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Offline Wade  
#78 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:25:48 PM(UTC)
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Re: sizzle, here are that no one has mentioned that might be available to GB at different parts in the draft.

1. Marquise Lee. Might be still on board at 21...or even into early second. Definitely might be in manageable trade-up range (i.e., 6 picks or less).

2. Tre Mason. I for one really like the idea of having a real speed option to complement Lacy's smash-and-pound. Can you imagine the fits opposition coaches would have trying to game plan against both Lacy and Mason? Plus he's probably a better receiver already than any other Packer RB. And last, Lacy's style will wear him down fast. Adding a threat like Mason could add two or more years to Lacy's career. He probably won't last to #21 in the second, and he definitely won't last until #21 in the third.

3. Dri Archer. I have no idea where this guy ends up, draftwise. But if you are looking for sizzle, this guy's got it bigtime. How long will he last? Fourth? Early sixth?

There was one more RB, but I cant remember now.
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Offline play2win  
#79 Posted : Wednesday, April 30, 2014 4:52:22 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
Re: sizzle, here are that no one has mentioned that might be available to GB at different parts in the draft.

1. Marquise Lee. Might be still on board at 21...or even into early second. Definitely might be in manageable trade-up range (i.e., 6 picks or less).

2. Tre Mason. I for one really like the idea of having a real speed option to complement Lacy's smash-and-pound. Can you imagine the fits opposition coaches would have trying to game plan against both Lacy and Mason? Plus he's probably a better receiver already than any other Packer RB. And last, Lacy's style will wear him down fast. Adding a threat like Mason could add two or more years to Lacy's career. He probably won't last to #21 in the second, and he definitely won't last until #21 in the third.

3. Dri Archer. I have no idea where this guy ends up, draftwise. But if you are looking for sizzle, this guy's got it bigtime. How long will he last? Fourth? Early sixth?

There was one more RB, but I cant remember now.


I bet you're thinking of DeAnthony Thomas, the RB and KR from Oregon. This kid is a burner who knows how to find the end zone.

Another good later round one should be Jeremy Gallon, WR/KR out of Michigan. Phenomenal receiver in a very small, fast package.

One more later round WR is Devin Street out of PIT. I would take this kid in a heartbeat.
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#80 Posted : Wednesday, April 30, 2014 5:26:21 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
I forgot EVERY FRICKIN' DRAFT PICK IS SUPPOSED TO COME TO THE PACKERS AND IMMEDIALTY BECOME A SUPERSTAR OR HE IS A BUST.

ONE MORE TIME, BRANDON JACKSON WAS NOT A "BIG MISS", HE WASN'T A "BIG HIT".





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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
267 yds in 2007
248 yds in 2008
111 yds in 2009
703 yds in 2010

Sure, he came around to contribute in his 4th season in GB, and did little to nothing in his first 3 years. We should all be expecting more from a valuable 2nd round pick, and that is entirely the point.

I had already said how well Thompson had actually done for us, and was simply mentioning if they could stay away from the few dud picks we would be in really good shape.

Some people just have to be contradictory, regardless of facts. As previously mentioned the picks don't always work out. But, it would be smart of this staff to do more to try to avoid early misses.


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#81 Posted : Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:34:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
No one said superstar or bust. That's just you ratcheting up the hyperbole to suit your needs.

This is about a very simple point on maximizing the impact with early picks, and hoping the team can do that.

I'm sorry, I happen to think Colledge and Jackson, and, yes, Worthy, who I think is a poser and too small to be effective, were BIG misses. That's my opinion.

Colledge was never a "solid" starter, but just a starter by default. Jackson was never a "good" RB, but he did make some great contributions along the way in 2010. It was without a doubt his best of 4 seasons. In his 4th season he finally learned how to pass protect.


Right there is the reason you are almost always disappointed.

Your expectations are always way to high.

Calling Brandon Jackson a big miss is incorrect, he was on the team for 4 years, just because Ryan Grant turned into the#1 guy, doesn't mean Jackson was a "big miss".

Being beat out by Ryan Grant was nothing to be ashamed of, Grant came from The Giants PS, do you remember why he couldn't crack their 53 man roster and was available?

Giants at the time had Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, Rouben Droughns and Ahmad Bradshaw on their roster, all were healthy and they made a pretty damn good stable of RB's.

Ted was doing his job back then, knowing that Grant was available.

Jackson became a backup, played special teams, was used in 3rd down situations.

He put together a solid 4 years for The Packers then went on to The Browns where injuries derailed him.

Funny how some peoples opinions on this forum change(not talking about you), I distinctly remember Ryan Grant continually being banged on by some on this forum.

He wasn't fast enough, he couldn't hit the hole on time, he was always running into his blockers, yet all he did was put together back to back 1200+ yd seasons.

Back then some just couldn't wait for Brandon Jackson to be the starter.

Now I see Grant being called "the savior" in 2013.





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#82 Posted : Wednesday, April 30, 2014 6:09:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Right there is the reason you are almost always disappointed.

Your expectations are always way to high.

Calling Brandon Jackson a big miss is incorrect, he was on the team for 4 years, just because Ryan Grant turned into the#1 guy, doesn't mean Jackson was a "big miss".

Being beat out by Ryan Grant was nothing to be ashamed of, Grant came from The Giants PS, do you remember why he couldn't crack their 53 man roster and was available?

Giants at the time had Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, Rouben Droughns and Ahmad Bradshaw on their roster, all were healthy and they made a pretty damn good stable of RB's.

Ted was doing his job back then, knowing that Grant was available.

Jackson became a backup, played special teams, was used in 3rd down situations.

He put together a solid 4 years for The Packers then went on to The Browns where injuries derailed him.

Funny how some peoples opinions on this forum change(not talking about you), I distinctly remember Ryan Grant continually being banged on by some on this forum.

He wasn't fast enough, he couldn't hit the hole on time, he was always running into his blockers, yet all he did was put together back to back 1200+ yd seasons.

Back then some just couldn't wait for Brandon Jackson to be the starter.

Now I see Grant being called "the savior" in 2013.







Yeah, calling a 2nd round pick who can't crack the starting lineup in four years a bust is outrageous. Rolling Eyes I suppose we're suppose to give Uncle Ted a pass on drafting an injured Justin Harrell too. For all the praise Thompson is given, and well deserved, by sportswriters and us fans; why is it so egregious to you that we ridicule the man when he makes a bad pick or just call the player a bad player. Putting on a Packers' jersey doesn't make a football a God, well maybe in your head it does.
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#83 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 8:02:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, calling a 2nd round pick who can't crack the starting lineup in four years a bust is outrageous. Rolling Eyes I suppose we're suppose to give Uncle Ted a pass on drafting an injured Justin Harrell too. For all the praise Thompson is given, and well deserved, by sportswriters and us fans; why is it so egregious to you that we ridicule the man when he makes a bad pick or just call the player a bad player. Putting on a Packers' jersey doesn't make a football a God, well maybe in your head it does.



There you go trying to write something that I never said, post it enough and some will start to believe it.

I am the one who keeps saying just because a player drafted by The Packers doesn't become an immediate superstar, that doesn't make him a Bust or in this case a "big miss" .

That's all I originally said, now you've twisted my words, trying to make me out as some "lap dog" for Ted Thompson.

At least I stay consistant, I don't berate a player(Ryan Grant) for 2 years, while he is putting up 1200+ yds a season, saying all along that Brandon Jackson should be the starter, then only to call him "the savior" 7 years later just keep up another of your stupid arguments.

You just stay "Mr. Negative", that is what is expected of you on this forum.

I'll just keep posting my positive opinions on Packer players.

Brandon Jackson was not a "Big Miss", he wasn't a "big Hit", he falls into the solid role player category.

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#84 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 8:44:27 AM(UTC)
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I was disappointed in Bjack as a runner, but I don't look at him as a bust. I was the one talking about how Grant left yards on the field.

I also give Ted somewhat of a pass on the Harrell pick. I see what he was doing with that, it just didn't pan out. As soon as I heard Harrell got married before TC that year, I knew he wasn't going to be back from that back injury. He was gonna be on his honeymoon right before TC, depleting all his male essence. Sure enough, back went out again.

He did play one decent year, but broke his leg.
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#85 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 6:50:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
There you go trying to write something that I never said, post it enough and some will start to believe it.

I am the one who keeps saying just because a player drafted by The Packers doesn't become an immediate superstar, that doesn't make him a Bust or in this case a "big miss" .

That's all I originally said, now you've twisted my words, trying to make me out as some "lap dog" for Ted Thompson.

At least I stay consistant, I don't berate a player(Ryan Grant) for 2 years, while he is putting up 1200+ yds a season, saying all along that Brandon Jackson should be the starter, then only to call him "the savior" 7 years later just keep up another of your stupid arguments.

You just stay "Mr. Negative", that is what is expected of you on this forum.

I'll just keep posting my positive opinions on Packer players.

Brandon Jackson was not a "Big Miss", he wasn't a "big Hit", he falls into the solid role player category.



Talk about putting words in someone's mouth. I said Ryan Grant saved the day, I didn't call him a savior. And on a personal note, Buckeye, I consider you to be the biggest pussy in this group of posters. You cannot have anybody disagree with you without pouting like a little bitch. Just go back to putting me on ignore. But I will tell you one thing - if you continue to make a jackass out of yourself like you have in this thread, - I will pile on cause at the end of the day, I just don't like petulant adults.
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#86 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 7:32:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Talk about putting words in someone's mouth. I said Ryan Grant saved the day, I didn't call him a savior. And on a personal note, Buckeye, I consider you to be the biggest pussy in this group of posters. You cannot have anybody disagree with you without pouting like a little bitch. Just go back to putting me on ignore. But I will tell you one thing - if you continue to make a jackass out of yourself like you have in this thread, - I will pile on cause at the end of the day, I just don't like petulant adults.


Ok pile on all you want, your the one who is always looking like a jackass,

Mr. negativity, who knows jack about football, can only resort to petty name calling when someone calls you out.

I'm so scared!!!!! I'm Frightened!!!

You are right inone thing, time to put you back on ignore, dealt with your childish ways enough for this season.

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