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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#16 Posted : Friday, April 25, 2014 1:05:56 PM(UTC)
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Didn't KC have 6 pro bowlers 2 years ago when they won 2 games?

The Browns I think had 4 or 5 guys go last year.

Not a good way to judge a GM.
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#17 Posted : Friday, April 25, 2014 1:15:18 PM(UTC)
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#18 Posted : Friday, April 25, 2014 5:49:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Patterson's the real deal. He's no joke.

Did Spielman draft Apete?

Ted's drafted way more than 4 pro bowlers. Let's see, Aaron, Clay, Eddie Lacy, just off the top of my head. Did Finley make it? What about all these WRs? Bulaga?


Are you really trying to justify Uncle Teddy's 9 drafts to Spielman's 2? Really?
To answer the question about the players-

Finley- No
ALL THOSE WR? Nelson- No Cobb- No Jones- No. Jennings did. Bulaga- No.

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#19 Posted : Friday, April 25, 2014 7:55:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Are you really trying to justify Uncle Teddy's 9 drafts to Spielman's 2? Really?
To answer the question about the players-

Finley- No
ALL THOSE WR? Nelson- No Cobb- No Jones- No. Jennings did. Bulaga- No.



I knew one of the WR did.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, April 26, 2014 5:52:24 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, I'm fairly certain that the quality of a team isn't determined by their number of pro bowlers.


Doesn't Mike McCarthy sometimes take his players bowling during training camp? Or doesn't that count.

I respect your right to have your opinion but that doesn't mean I agree with it or respect you for having it.
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Offline mi_keys  
#21 Posted : Saturday, April 26, 2014 8:05:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post

Finley- No
ALL THOSE WR? Nelson- No Cobb- No Jones- No. Jennings did. Bulaga- No.



This does highlight how worthless this metric is in a vacuum. In 2011 and 2013 (Jordy's last two non-injury seasons), he went over 1,200 and 1,300 yards and caught 15 and 8 touchdowns respectively.

In 2011, Jennings went with 949 yards and 9 touchdowns. They probably should've been swapped.

Jordy's played at a pro bowl level. He just isn't technically a "pro bowler."

Edit: fixed the quote box
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#22 Posted : Saturday, April 26, 2014 8:10:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Rick Spielman has drafted more Pro Bowlers for Vikings than Ted Thompson has for Packers.

What the hell ...

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#23 Posted : Saturday, April 26, 2014 8:17:11 AM(UTC)
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Just so you know mi, I am not saying Jordy is not worthy of being a PBer. My recent post was saying he didn't get the "honor".

Look at all the years that Marco Rivera played at an exceptional level before he was giving the chance.

edit- I was wondering when I gave that quote. I agree with it just didn't remember when I said it.
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Offline steveishere  
#24 Posted : Saturday, April 26, 2014 8:37:30 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Just so you know mi, I am not saying Jordy is not worthy of being a PBer. My recent post was saying he didn't get the "honor".

Look at all the years that Marco Rivera played at an exceptional level before he was giving the chance.

edit- I was wondering when I gave that quote. I agree with it just didn't remember when I said it.


yeah, the thing with Jordy though is I believe he was one of the main alternates he just didn't have enough people ahead of him drop out to become a "pro bowler" like the Vikings did with their last 2 guys (Kalil and Rudolph). That's why it's stupid to use pro bowls to try and make some sort of comparison.
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#25 Posted : Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:00:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Just so you know mi, I am not saying Jordy is not worthy of being a PBer. My recent post was saying he didn't get the "honor".

Look at all the years that Marco Rivera played at an exceptional level before he was giving the chance.

edit- I was wondering when I gave that quote. I agree with it just didn't remember when I said it.


Oh I know, you were simply answering Nerd's question on those players and whether they'd gone.

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#26 Posted : Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:07:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mi_keys Go to Quoted Post
Oh I know, you were simply answering Nerd's question on those players and whether they'd gone.



I'd say Bulaga and Sitton are at that level too.

We got guys.
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#27 Posted : Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:58:57 PM(UTC)
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#28 Posted : Saturday, April 26, 2014 3:52:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
I'd say Bulaga and Sitton are at that level too.

We got guys.


Right. Nelson was just, in my opinion, the most glaring omission. Sitton went in 2012. Bulaga has the potential to be a pro bowl player if he could stay healthy and take the next step forward. Cobb definitely has pro bowl potential.

And even if some of these guys don't, falling just short of being a pro bowl player means you are still a very good player. If you had 22 starters, each of whom were just short of making the pro bowl, you'd have a Super Bowl contending team.
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#29 Posted : Saturday, April 26, 2014 5:49:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mi_keys Go to Quoted Post
Right. Nelson was just, in my opinion, the most glaring omission. Sitton went in 2012. Bulaga has the potential to be a pro bowl player if he could stay healthy and take the next step forward. Cobb definitely has pro bowl potential.

And even if some of these guys don't, falling just short of being a pro bowl player means you are still a very good player. If you had 22 starters, each of whom were just short of making the pro bowl, you'd have a Super Bowl contending team.


So this is just Spielman's two years as GM? I think he's been in their front office for awhile in varying capacities. I kept thinking he's been around almost as long as Ted.
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#30 Posted : Saturday, April 26, 2014 5:55:02 PM(UTC)
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