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Offline beast  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:17:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Arbitrary then.


No and you know that (or should if you know football 101). The Ref is suppose to blow the whistle when the play is over.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:30:01 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
No and you know that (or should if you know football 101). The Ref is suppose to blow the whistle when the play is over.

When is the play over? That is the arbitrary part.

The definitions don't state when going to the ground stops. Don't use circular logic and say at the whistle. When is the official supposed to blow the whistle according to the rules? I have seen them do it after the WR takes 2 steps out of bound and then hits the ground.

When does the process of catching a ball end? We need a concrete delineation of when the process of making a catch ends and possession is established. What happens after that should be according to the rules of a ball carrier with possession. Which is not the end of the play.

We also need to have a concrete delineation of when going to the ground ends. Not the arbitrary decision of the official. I think it should be initial impact with the ground. When all downward momentum has stopped. If they roll, bounce or get hit after that, that should be after the play is dead by the rules. Not by the official deciding arbitrarily.

You can't replay an arbitrary decision. You can't even get more than one person to concur on when exactly that point is. But downward momentum stopping is a much more finite point than the process of going to the ground.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:59:22 PM(UTC)
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As ususal the NFL can't keep anything plain and simple. The interpretation should be the sam in the end zone as the rest of the field. They complicate instant replay even worse.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:15:09 PM(UTC)
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Again, if the ground cant cause a fumble in the 100 yards of the field, why is it different in the endzones?
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#20 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:24:06 PM(UTC)
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blah blah blah... I'm tired of the whining, complaining and excuses...

hold onto the ball in the end zone and it's a TD... it's simple as that...
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#21 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 5:11:25 AM(UTC)
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Bah, stop missing the point. I think it was Dexter who said you are sometimes deliberately obtuse. You are being obtuse here again. The question isn't, "Must the receiver hold onto the football?" but rather "How long must he hold onto the football?" To answer "Until the whistle blows" is, as Dexter pointed out, purely a case of circular reasoning. There should be some solid definition so that neither officials, nor players, nor spectators have a shadow of a doubt that a catch was made and completed.
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#22 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 2:29:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
blah blah blah... I'm tired of the whining, complaining and excuses...

hold onto the ball in the end zone and it's a TD... it's simple as that...

OK, how long?
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#23 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 2:31:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel Go to Quoted Post
Bah, stop missing the point. I think it was Dexter who said you are sometimes deliberately obtuse. You are being obtuse here again. The question isn't, "Must the receiver hold onto the football?" but rather "How long must he hold onto the football?" To answer "Until the whistle blows" is, as Dexter pointed out, purely a case of circular reasoning. There should be some solid definition so that neither officials, nor players, nor spectators have a shadow of a doubt that a catch was made and completed.

How can you have incontrovertible evidence that the ball was held onto long enough if you don't know how long enough is?
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#24 Posted : Monday, December 2, 2013 8:50:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Greg C. Go to Quoted Post
I accept the rule about controlling the ball to the ground, but that variation on it doesn't make sense to me. If the receiver is already in the end zone, it's not a catch, but apparently if the receiver is falling into the end zone, it is a catch. I don't get it at all.


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