Rios39
14 years ago
He's been doing this all year though. I'm not saying the O-Line is not to blame but Rodgers just holds the ball too long. He doesn't feel pressure, even when gets break loose right off the bat he needs to feel that and deliver it. When guys are rushing wide there is NOTHING our tackles can do to defend that but force them outside and then Rodgers needs to step up and throw. Not step up and stand there for another 2-3 seconds.

You watch a QB like Manning, Favre, Rivers ect. There will be plenty of times when blocks are blown and they still deliver a quick check down. If you watch Rodgers, he has no intentions of getting the ball and throwing it on 1-2 seconds. The majority of his pass plays today came on 3-4 even 5 seconds and that's WAY too long.

Back in 07 we set up in shotgun and Favre would get the ball and deliver it a lot of times right on the spot. He wasn't set up in shotgun and looking way down the field all day. UNLESS he got ample protection on a certain play or 2 per drive. A lot of the big plays that year came on play action deep balls or a 2 step drop and slant, curl.... Notice our yards after the catch have declined, I believe Rodgers is a reason for that. Honestly I think that's the only difference between the offensives with and without Favre.

Now I am by NO MEANS a Rodgers basher. He's a talented kid and I think he'll get this straightened out. But he's just not playing Packer football. Last year it was a problem at times, but nothing like this. If you remember the game we played against the Colts last year. THAT was Packer football But I have not seen packer football at all this year. Only in short spirts, maybe a half a drive. I just don't understand what he's thinking sometimes and I think players in the locker room and now McCarthy are realizing where most of the blame for these sacks need to go.
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bozz_2006
14 years ago
Fair enough Rios, but McCarthy better get it coached out of him if he wants a job in Green Bay next year. The coaches can coach until they're blue in the face, but if it doesn't show on Sundays, it's all a waste. I have arrived at the sad realization that McCarthy's coaching just isn't effective.
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PackFanWithTwins
14 years ago
One thing about the coverage and WR getting open. If we run no plays that are less then 5 yards, the defense is going to quit worrying about that area, which means the under coverage is going to drift deeper which makes the deeper coverage tighter.

McCarthy says he is calling quick plays? yet we are in shotgun which is slower than being under center. It also is easier on the Dline to time the snap from the shotgun.

To me this is just another McCarthy scripted comment, like pad level and We will get it fixed.
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Stevetarded
14 years ago
One thing that just doesn't make sense to me about Rodgers simply holding the ball too long is why does he do so well facing a Blitz? When teams bring extra pressure on him he gets the ball out quickly and accurately for nice gains.
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dyeah_gb
14 years ago
This is a great post. +1 for the play breakdown. I am one of those with torches and pitchforks out for Mike McCarthy at this point but I admit I have not considered that Rodgers might just be so arrogant or devoid of instinct that he is the one at fault for ignoring a short gameplan and forcing his o-line to block for > 5 seconds per pass.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

One thing that just doesn't make sense to me about Rodgers simply holding the ball too long is why does he do so well facing a Blitz? When teams bring extra pressure on him he gets the ball out quickly and accurately for nice gains.

"Stevetarded" wrote:

Because he's forced to think quickly instead of giving the luxury of taking his time.

Maybe? I don't know myself. That's the best I can come up with.
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ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago

One thing about the coverage and WR getting open. If we run no plays that are less then 5 yards, the defense is going to quit worrying about that area, which means the under coverage is going to drift deeper which makes the deeper coverage tighter.

McCarthy says he is calling quick plays? yet we are in shotgun which is slower than being under center. It also is easier on the Dline to time the snap from the shotgun.

To me this is just another McCarthy scripted comment, like pad level and We will get it fixed.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Agreed - Rodgers has faults and a fair amount to learn yet, but he didn't just turn into someone who can't play the position. And he's been sacked 37 times in 8 games - that's going to mess with your head. Those comments sound like McCarhty trying to throw his QB under a bus to deflect blame from himself - that's low.
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Rios39
14 years ago

One thing about the coverage and WR getting open. If we run no plays that are less then 5 yards, the defense is going to quit worrying about that area, which means the under coverage is going to drift deeper which makes the deeper coverage tighter.

McCarthy says he is calling quick plays? yet we are in shotgun which is slower than being under center. It also is easier on the Dline to time the snap from the shotgun.

To me this is just another McCarthy scripted comment, like pad level and We will get it fixed.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Shotgun plays are easy for quick slants and what not. Shotgun plays are NOT meant to be holding the ball a long time and going deep because you have less blockers at the line for you in trade for more targets to hit quick passes.

And to the person that said about blitzes. Rodgers gets rid of the ball earlier because on a blitz it's going to leave 2-3 guys wide open in a spread em scheme.
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