Pack93z
15 years ago

I don't care what the level of "individual coaching" is, if you ask a player to "decide" what he's going to do during the play, he's going to fall behind. THAT is on the man who designs the scheme. HE is the one that asks them to play that way. Sanders asks his linebackers to think during the play. that doesn't work

"bozz_2006" wrote:



Sorry... but a backer, unless he is on a blitz, has to read the play correctly.. run or pass, based on that decision, they either fill and attack or drop into coverage responsibilities.. how on earth is one to avoid the decision at the linebacker level each play?

There are telltale signs on every play, what the play is and where the play is going.. IMO, it is a coaches responsibility to teach his players how to effectively read a play, attack said play and make in turn make a play. When one talks of instincts, IMO, this is where they come to play.. experience and a natural feeling of where the play is going.. but there are things that can be taught presnap and during the first few moments of a play that tell the story, assist you in making a quick read and reacting properly.. that seems to be missing at this point with this group..

How many times this year did we see a backer make a impacting play on the opponents side of the LOS in the running game? How many times did they make a solid yard saving open field tackle? How many times did they effectively make a play on a drag route or a running back flare? Granted, there I will say more to the scheme being an issue than not.. but make a freaking play will someone.

I agree, the scheme didn't help them or might not have put them in the best position to make plays... but there were opportunities to make plays be nothing short of luck..

Don't get me wrong, the defensive downfall wasn't because of the linebackers, but they as a group certainly didn't help stem the bleeding either. Long and the short, they didn't play well.. to his credit, Moss called them upon in at the end of the year.

I don't remember Moss saying it was a scheme problem.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
warhawk
15 years ago
I think another parodox with this type of defense is you need a guy like Barnett with his cover skills in man to man but then again he isn't the strongest MLB when it comes to the run. We've seen how that can hurt.

Conversely, you have the other kid who is very good against the run but isn't great in man coverage.

These are the areas where I see the scheme asking to much of the player. VERY FEW MLB's out there that are stout against the run but can also stay with TE's and RB's against the pass.

The universe produces one of those about every ten years. Not great odds if you catch my drift and cotrary to the concept of "putting players in a the best position to be successful." Almost the opposite in reality.
"The train is leaving the station."
bozz_2006
15 years ago

I don't care what the level of "individual coaching" is, if you ask a player to "decide" what he's going to do during the play, he's going to fall behind. THAT is on the man who designs the scheme. HE is the one that asks them to play that way. Sanders asks his linebackers to think during the play. that doesn't work

"pack93z" wrote:



Sorry... but a backer, unless he is on a blitz, has to read the play correctly.. run or pass, based on that decision, they either fill and attack or drop into coverage responsibilities.. how on earth is one to avoid the decision at the linebacker level each play?

There are telltale signs on every play, what the play is and where the play is going.. IMO, it is a coaches responsibility to teach his players how to effectively read a play, attack said play and make in turn make a play. When one talks of instincts, IMO, this is where they come to play.. experience and a natural feeling of where the play is going.. but there are things that can be taught presnap and during the first few moments of a play that tell the story, assist you in making a quick read and reacting properly.. that seems to be missing at this point with this group..

How many times this year did we see a backer make a impacting play on the opponents side of the LOS in the running game? How many times did they make a solid yard saving open field tackle? How many times did they effectively make a play on a drag route or a running back flare? Granted, there I will say more to the scheme being an issue than not.. but make a freaking play will someone.

I agree, the scheme didn't help them or might not have put them in the best position to make plays... but there were opportunities to make plays be nothing short of luck..

Don't get me wrong, the defensive downfall wasn't because of the linebackers, but they as a group certainly didn't help stem the bleeding either. Long and the short, they didn't play well.. to his credit, Moss called them upon in at the end of the year.

I don't remember Moss saying it was a scheme problem.

"bozz_2006" wrote:



those telltale signs are what a player reacts to. that decision is not what i'm talking about. what i'm talking about is the "OK, I see the RB flowing strong side. Can I go after him? Yes. Oh wait, no, because I have primary A-Gap responsibility. wait. wait. wait.... OK, he is now two gaps away from me, and my backside help should be here now. I'm going to start pursuit now!".... no good.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
dfosterf (3h) : The only problem with that is he isn't a guard either.
dfosterf (3h) : Put him at right guard. That is where he will be coached. That is where he will compete. He is not even allowed to look at the LT playbook.
dfosterf (19h) : Kidding aside, I hope the best for him.
dfosterf (19h) : Went to a Titans board. One comment there. Not very long. I quote: "LOL" They don't sound overly upset about our aquisition.
beast (19h) : OT Dillard has been absolutely horrible... like OG Newman levels
dfosterf (20h) : Suit him up and have him stand in front of the big board as a draft day cautionary tale.
Zero2Cool (21h) : Packers sign T Andre Dillard.
Mucky Tundra (18-Apr) : Adds most of the information this time of year comes from agents.
Mucky Tundra (18-Apr) : @RealAlexBarth Bill Belichick says accurate draft information doesn't leak from teams until about 12 hours before the draft. Adds most of th
Mucky Tundra (18-Apr) : I am very happy that for moment, Jordan Love seems like a normal human being
Zero2Cool (17-Apr) : Belichick * whatever
Zero2Cool (17-Apr) : "There's a lot of depth at Offensive Tackle and Wide Receiver." Bill Bellichick
Zero2Cool (17-Apr) : Thanks! I can't believe it's over haha
Martha Careful (16-Apr) : Congratulations
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Boom. Student Loan. $0.00. Only took about 20 years.
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : Packers DT Kenny Clark: New defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley will 'allow us to be way more disruptive'
Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : Saints have agreed to terms on a contract with former Packers wide receiver Equanimeous St. Brown.
beast (12-Apr) : No, but of it's for legislation, then half of the country will find it evil, not good, whatever it says....
Mucky Tundra (12-Apr) : Draft is still 2 weeks away. UGH
dhazer (11-Apr) : Does anyone know of a good AI generator to create letters of Support for legislation?
Zero2Cool (11-Apr) : Gordon "Red" Batty retires as equipment manager
Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Sounds like that's pretty certain now.
Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Packers "at" Eagles in Brazil. Week One
dfosterf (10-Apr) : Va' Fazer As Malas Va' !
Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Mark Murphy tipping us off?
Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : “We’re either the first- or second-most popular team in Brazil.”
Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Christian Watson got married. Wife better be careful with those hamstrings!! 😂😂
dfosterf (9-Apr) : Those poor bastards
Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Falcons have signed former Packers CB Kevin King, who has been out of football since 2021.
dfosterf (8-Apr) : Collectively, we need to spend more time in what we have, when analyzing ostendible needs and historical proclivities
dfosterf (8-Apr) : I say he is better than so many of these draft picks
dfosterf (8-Apr) : Question of the week for me: Has anyone besides me done any deep dive into the potential of Alex McGough, our 3rd string qb?
Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Or in Tunsil's case, something gets released day of draft or day before lol
Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Seems every year someone does something pre-draft.
dfosterf (8-Apr) : Falling down drunk. The draft board
dfosterf (8-Apr) : Allright! Potential character guy/f#×k up pickup in D'Vondre Sweat!
Zero2Cool (7-Apr) : Go Badgers!!!
Martha Careful (6-Apr) : Go Boilermakers!!!
Martha Careful (5-Apr) : Diggs has not stepped up in the playoffs and has a high cost
beast (5-Apr) : Probably not going to let Diggs walk away unless he's horrible... but according to reports he also might not be as good as he used to be.
beast (5-Apr) : The 25th pick in the draft has been an offensive player since 2017, 2 TE, 2 WR, 1 RB, 1 OC
Mucky Tundra (5-Apr) : Odd, why give up a 2025 2nd Rounder for him if you're just gonna let him walk?
Zero2Cool (4-Apr) : Texans to let Diggs be free agent in '25
buckeyepackfan (4-Apr) : 49r's aign RB Patrick Taylor.
Martha Careful (4-Apr) : Reversion to the mean would indicate we will keep it
Zero2Cool (4-Apr) : It's also been utilized in a trade in 14 of the past 20 years
Zero2Cool (4-Apr) : The 25th pick in the draft hasn't been made by it's original holder since 2016.
Mucky Tundra (4-Apr) : Gotta imagine that Green Bay vs Houston will be a primetime game this upcoming season
Zero2Cool (3-Apr) : No. Kill QB. No worries. 😁
Mucky Tundra (3-Apr) : Diggs, Collins, Dell and Schultz is gonna be tough to cover
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2023 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
Bears
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM
Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM
LIONS
Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM
Raiders
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
CHARGERS
Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM
CHIEFS
Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM
Giants
Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
Panthers
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM
Cowboys
Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM
49ers
Recent Topics
4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

17h / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

23h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

18-Apr / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

18-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

17-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

17-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

17-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

17-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

17-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

16-Apr / Random Babble / Martha Careful

15-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

12-Apr / Random Babble / Nonstopdrivel

12-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.