DakotaT
9 years ago

WHile thoroughly highjacking this thread to FA discussion, it is important to me to remember that activity is not progress. Signing FA does not mean improvement.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Sometimes these threads can't even make a whole page of discussion because of their content. ex. Peppers has been a bargain - "No shit Sherlock, moving on!" Just sayin!

Maybe we should make a rule that when a thread exhausts itself - it goes into a recycle bin?
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

Sometimes these threads can't even make a whole page of discussion because of their content. ex. Peppers has been a bargain - "No sh*t Sherlock, moving on!" Just sayin!

Maybe we should make a rule that when a thread exhausts itself - it goes into a recycle bin?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Nice idea, although, I am not one for rules.



Thing with Julius Peppers is that players like him do not come around every year. And even IF they did, that does not mean they will be a proper fit for the scheme and salary cap. The Packers are unique in that they do not have a single billion dollar deep pocketed owner who can bail out the team if they make a foolish (Jairus Byrd) free agent signing.
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Smokey
9 years ago
It is a mistake to believe that one opinion is a fair representation of the whole. If your not happy with a thread , then find another to post to, or start a new thread. Don't get mad though if the new thread is not popular.

Mr. J. Peppers is like many players that are over 30 and are still showing the young bucks how it's done. Peppers recent TD , IMO, will not be the only deed this season worthy of being posted and boasted. This thread will see many more post this season . =d>
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DakotaT
9 years ago

Nice idea, although, I am not one for rules.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



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DakotaT
9 years ago

It is a mistake to believe that one opinion is a fair representation of the whole. If your not happy with a thread , then find another to post to, or start a new thread. Don't get mad though if the new thread is not popular.

Mr. J. Peppers is like many players that are over 30 and are still showing the young bucks how it's done. Peppers recent TD , IMO, will not be the only deed this season worthy of being posted and boasted. This thread will see many more post this season . =d>

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Tangents are a good thing. It means a person is capable of many levels of thinking. Texas and I are the worst tangent creators in this whole forum and we revert most things back to unfinished arguments. We are stubborn, self centered assholes. Hope you can handle the show.
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9 years ago

I agree. For an example - Ted passed on all the safeties in FA and drafted Haha. While Haha has been pretty good - if he had turned out to be a bum, everyone would be screaming for Ted's head on a platter for not picking up a FA[palm]

Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 



Far too much of an oversimplification of the issue.

There is not a single FA that I want Uncle Teddy to sign. While some wanted Uncle Teddy to pick up Steven Jackson (originally via trade later as a FA) I didn't think he was necessarily the answer. By not going the Jackson route allowed GB to pick up Lacy. I would take that exchange every single day. But going back the prior years Uncle Teddy did a very poor job filling the RB hole. Yes he did draft Alex Green in the 3rd round in 2011. I don't know much about college players but it looked like a horrible pick. One of the big problems with his draft selections is he tends to grab players long before they should be taken and then when they flame out it leaves the holes that he needs to fill with FAs and doesn't do so.

Most of those who are looking for more FAs are not even asking for one FA every year. It doesn't take much to fill in the gaps for the team.


So signing outside players to fill gaps is good, but resigning current players to avoid weaknesses developing is not?

If Packers had signed Byrd to address safety, but allowed Shields to walk... That would have been good Free Agent work on Ted's behalf? Our team would have been better?

Not sure I agree.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



That is the problem with the your argument. When fans say we would like to see Uncle Teddy pick up a few FAs we don't mean 3rd or 4th level FAs. He has done that a lot and it is a waste of time. We would like to see QUALITY players brought in. It would be nice if they were high level players but they are very expensive so we don't expect this to happen ever. Uncle Teddy is smart enough to work a player or two into his budget. He simply does not want to.

From time to time he can pick up key contributors and strong backups but he avoids them as much as he does the high priced players.

The other thing to consider is Uncle Teddy is an above average GM. (At least most Packer fans think so.) We expect more from him than what lesser GM will do. There are gaps on this team and we look to him to fill them.
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DoddPower
9 years ago

So signing outside players to fill gaps is good, but resigning current players to avoid weaknesses developing is not?

If Packers had signed Byrd to address safety, but allowed Shields to walk... That would have been good Free Agent work on Ted's behalf? Our team would have been better?

Not sure I agree.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Where did I say resigning a teams own free agents is not good? It's essential, and it's a philosophy I believe in. It's necessary to maintain a team's core players. But unless a team is drafting very well each year, there are going to be some substantial gaps in the roster at times. The Packers have had and continue to have several. That's where a proven free agent talent can be valuable. Of course I don't mean signing a free agent just to sign one. But the right one can improve a team. I appreciate a conservative approach to free agency, absolutely. But I do think there have been a few opportunities that could have helped the Packers over the past four or five years that weren't made. I can't prove that. It can't be proved either way. But just like Julius Peppers has helped the Packers this season, I think a few other players in the past could have. Even if it meant slightly "overpaying." Not drastically, but enough to improve a team that's on the edge of contention. Perhaps the Packers consistently try everything they can via free agency, but that's a little hard for me to believe.

A proven outside free agent doesn't have to be an absolute superstar to substantially help the team. One never knows how far a little can take a team, especially in the playoffs with the Packers offense.
QCHuskerFan
9 years ago

Where did I say resigning a teams own free agents is not good? It's essential, and it's a philosophy I believe in. It's necessary to maintain a team's core players. But unless a team is drafting very well each year, there are going to be some substantial gaps in the roster at times. The Packers have had and continue to have several. That's where a proven free agent talent can be valuable. Of course I don't mean signing a free agent just to sign one. But the right one can improve a team. I appreciate a conservative approach to free agency, absolutely. But I do think there have been a few opportunities that could have helped the Packers over the past four or five years that weren't made. I can't prove that. It can't be proved either way. But just like Julius Peppers has helped the Packers this season, I think a few other players in the past could have. Even if it meant slightly "overpaying." Not drastically, but enough to improve a team that's on the edge of contention. Perhaps the Packers consistently try everything they can via free agency, but that's a little hard for me to believe.

A proven outside free agent doesn't have to be an absolute superstar to substantially help the team. One never knows how far a little can take a team, especially in the playoffs with the Packers offense.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



My apology. Among those that urge FA signings, they typically only focus on successful signings and tend to forget signing our own FA and the ones that fail.

In 2011 and 2013, minimal activity in FA. But many fans were clamoring for signings such as Stephen Jackson. Guess we know more than TT! That's working well for Atlanta.

In 2012, Ted Thompson signed Daniel Muir, Jeff Saturday, Anthony Hargrove, and Cedric Benson. Muir and Hargrove didn't make it out of camp. The other 2 played, but were ineffective/ hurt and didn't provide much impact. It could easily be argued that these 4 are typical of FA's available. Old and broken.

In 2014, Ted Thompson signed several. Peppers is the big name, but Guion also. Before anyone knocks Guion, remember he was signed to be the backup. If Ted Thompson knew Raji was going to the IR... But where might we be without Guion? Also Ted Thompson signed the starting CB and NT; Shields and Raji. Many fans don't count these.

3 years ago, Ted Thompson failed to sign Scott Wells. Many were upset, thinking how could he do that? Well, Wells has not played a full season since. So maybe he had an idea after all.

I tend to try to focus on the big picture. What team, other than the Patriots has a better record in the last 5 or 6 years? You mention that the Packers have had several substantial gaps in talent. I agree. So what team has been without gaps? In 2010, the season we won the Super Bowl, Seattle was 7-9 and the 49ers 6-10. Broncos were 4-12. Yes, they have all improved. All we did was maintain our status as a Playoff team. That's pretty good.

Could Ted Thompson have done more? Absolutely. Warren Buffett could be richer. Kate Upton could be prettier. Michael Jordan could have been more competitive. There is no end to the possibilities.

dfosterf
9 years ago
The Packers have been injury-riddled the last few years. I've been told that this is not an excuse for an NFL team. My simple response is, "My ass it isn't an excuse, the injured man is not there, why is that not an excuse?" - or some such.

I want to review our injuries. We HAVE to be the most injured team in the NFL, SUBSEQUENT to firing our team trainer for the year he was "responsible" - in some way- for us being the most injury riddled team in the NFL- several years ago. Is that not a topic for discussion?

I do like to whine about these matters, an admission. 😳
Smokey
9 years ago
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It's not photoshop, Mr. Peppers is really that big ! \:d/

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