Smokey
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9 years ago

Or because part of that 5 is DL in the Packers mind... such as Peppers and Neal who have basically been DL their whole careers and still used mostly as DL types going forwards. Same for Matthews other than not playing DL.

Originally Posted by: beast 



The poor play excuse line closed hours ago. This one is for reality focused guys that took off their rose colored glasses some time ago. 🇹🇹 The buck stops at that guy .
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Smokey
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9 years ago
To anyone who saw the Detroit vs Green Bay game it is obvious that the O/D-lines were not getting the job done. We all know that 🇹🇹 recruited these players, yet he only seems to get credit when something goes right. When it goes wrong, we blame the coaches or the trainers or anyone else but 🇹🇹 . So let's blame the football, it takes funny bounces and people are always trying to take it away. Yah, that's the ticket !
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steveishere
9 years ago
What was wrong with the defensive line? Detroit ended up with a lower rushing average than we did and their only good run was to the outside. They were stout against the Jets too.
Smokey
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9 years ago

What was wrong with the defensive line? Detroit ended up with a lower rushing average than we did and their only good run was to the outside. They were stout against the Jets too.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Numbers don't lie, but will they be playing the 2-5 defence the remainder of the season due to the lack of qualified players ? Without B.J.Raji , there are no "qualified" Nose Tackles. [duh]
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musccy
9 years ago

Numbers don't lie, but will they be playing the 2-5 defence the remainder of the season due to the lack of qualified players ? Without B.J.Raji , there are no "qualified" Nose Tackles. [duh]

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



You've brought up the D-Line play in just about every thread on this page the past 18 hours, but again, please explain how they were the cause of this loss.

I was complaining as much as anyone in the preseason about this line, specifically the NT, but I'll admit that through 3 games I was wrong. This team has had a pass rush, the hybrid LB/DEs like Peppers, Neal, and Matthews have been playing pretty well. The Lions averaged 3 yards per rush yesterday. I think they gave up 3 runs all day that were over 6 yards, only 1 over 10...what's so bad about that?





beast
9 years ago

The poor play excuse line closed hours ago. This one is for reality focused guys that took off their rose colored glasses some time ago.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Ummm, if you read what you have wrote... your the one using the poor play DL excuse here... you're using the poor play DL to reason why they ran the 2-5 scheme... instead of one with more DL in it.

And then you claim your own excuse line closed hours ago...

Numbers don't lie, but will they be playing the 2-5 defence the remainder of the season due to the lack of qualified players ?

Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Numbers don't lie... but they can mislead. And you claimed

Today I saw the Defence playing 2-5 because of lack of quality D-linemen.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



You assuming they're running the 2-5 scheme because lack of quality D-linemen... I believe that assumption is wrong because the Packers coaches seemed to plan the faster/quicker/more attacking style of defense all offseason and going to the 4-3 scheme seems to be their plan of attack of how to get it done. And yes I said 4-3, not 2-5.

It's like the 2-4 in years past... coaches/fans call it a 2-4, but other teams players and coaches including Cutler openly called it a 4-2 instead. It's the same thing... you're calling it a 2-5 when really it's a 4-3. Peppers and Neal have been playing DL almost their whole careers... they're basically DL even if they have the OLB labels.


And if you notice when they plan on running the 4-3 more they bench their 5th DT (Pennel) which I think can be common in 4-3 and is pretty rare in 3-4 schemes.

So the problem here seems to be more you're lack of understanding it's a 4-3 and they're not playing it like you assume a 3-4 would be played (because it's not a 3-4)

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nerdmann
9 years ago

You've brought up the D-Line play in just about every thread on this page the past 18 hours, but again, please explain how they were the cause of this loss.

I was complaining as much as anyone in the preseason about this line, specifically the NT, but I'll admit that through 3 games I was wrong. This team has had a pass rush, the hybrid LB/DEs like Peppers, Neal, and Matthews have been playing pretty well. The Lions averaged 3 yards per rush yesterday. I think they gave up 3 runs all day that were over 6 yards, only 1 over 10...what's so bad about that?





Originally Posted by: musccy 



Agreed, I was talking shit about the "smaller, quicker" philosophy myself. The defense won this game for us. The offense pissed it away. Again.
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9 years ago


You assuming they're running the 2-5 scheme because lack of quality D-linemen... I believe that assumption is wrong because the Packers coaches seemed to plan the faster/quicker/more attacking style of defense all offseason and going to the 4-3 scheme seems to be their plan of attack of how to get it done. And yes I said 4-3, not 2-5.

It's like the 2-4 in years past... coaches/fans call it a 2-4, but other teams players and coaches including Cutler openly called it a 4-2 instead. It's the same thing... you're calling it a 2-5 when really it's a 4-3. Peppers and Neal have been playing DL almost their whole careers... they're basically DL even if they have the OLB labels.


And if you notice when they plan on running the 4-3 more they bench their 5th DT (Pennel) which I think can be common in 4-3 and is pretty rare in 3-4 schemes.

So the problem here seems to be more you're lack of understanding it's a 4-3 and they're not playing it like you assume a 3-4 would be played (because it's not a 3-4)

Originally Posted by: beast 



I don't care what they call it. 1-6, 2-5, 3-4, 4-3, psycho, goal line, or Marybeth. Whatever it is, it ain't working so good. Yes they may not have given up a ton of yards or points but they were out there for 38 + minutes. They gave up 4.8 yards per play. That includes incomplete passes. They allowed a 3rd down conversion rate of 61%. None of that is acceptable.

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musccy
9 years ago

I don't care what they call it. 1-6, 2-5, 3-4, 4-3, psycho, goal line, or Marybeth. Whatever it is, it ain't working so good. Yes they may not have given up a ton of yards or points but they were out there for 38 + minutes. They gave up 4.8 yards per play. That includes incomplete passes. They allowed a 3rd down conversion rate of 61%. None of that is acceptable.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I don't think anyone is saying the defense is w/o fault. As I said in another thread, it was still very aggravating seeing yet another team run out the clock in the 4th Q vs. the Packers D.

That said, the D's play was in no way the weakest link yesterday, nor did their performance prevent the team from winning. 52 yards of Detroit passing came as a result of a Mike McCarthy timeout in the 1st half. The Packers offense managed an anemic 14 first downs, only 12 excluding penalty-gifted 1st downs. That contributes as much to the T.O.P. as anything else.
beast
9 years ago

I don't care what they call it. 1-6, 2-5, 3-4, 4-3, psycho, goal line, or Marybeth. Whatever it is, it ain't working so good. Yes they may not have given up a ton of yards or points but they were out there for 38 + minutes.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

Well we already got told by the person that started the thread it's just for linemen talk... but since you're bring up the whole defense... I guess we gotten away from that again...

You're blaming just the defense for the time... (and we should be blaming the defense some for it and especially that great 3rd down % stat you have below) but it's also more than that... as the Packers fast pace offense has assisted them to face pace benching, and Packers 22 run plays to the Lions 38 run plays also help the ToP for the Lions a lot as well.

They allowed a 3rd down conversion rate of 61%.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

GREAT stat for your point and you're right that's horrible (as a defensive whole, not just the DL)

They gave up 4.8 yards per play. That includes incomplete passes.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

Horrible stat for your point... as you're complaining about a top 5 best stat.

According to the NFL.com season team stats ... 4.8 is tied for 5th BEST season average.

And for the season it says the Packers are at 5.0 which is tied for 8th through 10th BEST!



So on a yardage per snap basics the Packers are doing well... just need to do a better job of limiting their number of snaps... ie get off the field... of course staying off the field is easier when the offense stays on the field.
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