Seattle approves $15 minimum wage· Page 2

DakotaT
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9 years ago

sorry you are not special. Every farm I worked on, every farmer I have ever talked to payed much more than min wage even to high school kids. As you pointed out there is real hard work being done. Flipping burgers or getting someone a cup of coffee not so much.

Originally Posted by: wpr

And neither is sitting a desk and fucking people considered hard work in any way shape or form. I'm all for helping people get ahead, and I sure as hell am never going to be a fuckstick trying to keep poor people poor, which is exactly all of you opposing raising minimum wage increases are doing. But make sure you all get to church on Sunday and reaffirm what good people you are.

wpr
Preferred Member

9 years ago

#12

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

I am all for poor people getting ahead. Flipping burgers and what not is not hard work. It doesn't merit making making $31,000 a year. They need to get an education. (Something many of the poor have scorned when they were in grade school and high school.) Then go get one of the those easy jobs that you hate so much.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#13

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

Hard work doesn't mean higher compensation. Work that not everyone can do does. Who cannot flip burgers? Who cannot press two buttons at the same time? Who cannot say "Welcome to Walmart!" all day long? These are the type of jobs I disagree with being paid $30k a year for.

Athletes get insanely pay because of why? They can do something most others cannot.

Menial jobs should be paid as such and used as a stepping stone to greater opportunities.

If you want to earn more, learn a marketable skill/trade to do so. You don't whine about how the President is failing YOU because YOU can't support your SIX kids off flipping burgers.

I would concede opposing this raise if it meant that employee's would not lose any benefits or perks and also the services and products would not increase in price. That simply won't happen though. And this raise increase will close doors to small businesses and stunt economic small business growth. Any true American can see how bad this is for us all.

sschind
Senior Member

9 years ago

#14

If you want to earn more, learn a marketable skill/trade to do so. You don't whine about how the President is failing YOU because YOU can't support your SIX kids off flipping burgers.

Originally Posted by: Kevin

I only have 5 kids and I am the assistant french fry machine technician but your point is well taken. However, deserve 15 bucks an hour because my understudy is so stupid that there is no way he could do what I do. Wait ... you mean he will be making 15 bucks and hour too? That's just not fair. I think I'll quit. let them see how backed up the fry fryer gets with that pimple faced little Jimmy snot nose running it

DakotaT
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9 years ago

#15

The arrogance and lack of humility in this forum pisses me off. At least a burger flipper has a bead of sweat dripping down his face once in a while. People working those "menial" jobs are an absolute necessity in this country of lazy fucks that can't even cook a meal for themselves anymore. I've met a whole lof of worhtless "professionals" in my day, that don't deserve their paychecks, not even close.

Besides, a lot of the higher paying skilled jobs were shipped overseas - or don't any of you geniuses actually pay attention to what the people you vote for do.

DakotaT
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9 years ago

#16

Another thing all you right wing knobs need to answer is why do you think you get to have the best of everything. You can't have a small government with less handouts and still keep a low minimum wage. If all these corporations are not going to pay people enough to live on, then Uncle Sam is going to have to pick up the rest of the tab.

sschind
Senior Member

9 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

I just hope he wipes that bead of sweat off before it drips on my burger.

I have an idea. Instead of just having a minimum wage we could also have a maximum wage. What does it take to live comfortably these days. 100 grand? 250 grand? half a mil? Lets just cap all income at that level and take all that money that would have been given to those people and give it to the other workers. Notice I didn't say give it to the welfare leeches, give it to the other workers, at least they are working for it. If we did that we could probably raise the minimum wage to 25 bucks an hour. Pretty much anybody should be able to live on that.

Actually Dakota I agree with a lot of what you are saying. There are a lot of professionals making obscene amounts of money and amounts of money that they are not "earning" However, it is mostly the private sector (by private I mean non government although I think politician salaries and benefits are a bit whacked as well.) that is paying this out. Are you saying the government should step in and limit the amount of salary and benefits a private company can pay? It would be nice if everyone making over a certain amount of money would willingly give their excess to the poor but that is where morality comes in and you legislate morality.

DakotaT
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9 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: sschind

I wouldn't ever agree to a maximum wage for anybody, because that would be very UnAmerican. All they need to do is correct the tax code: no more capital gains taxes - income is income and you pay in the top rate for all your income exceeding X amounts of dollars. No more cap on the Social Security tax, which is currently at $125,000. Wealthy people pay SS tax on all of their income not just the first $125K. And in times of financial crisis the top rate is adjusted to make up the difference. I guarantee you that those politicians will keep their spending in check.

Being born an American shouldn't just be a privilege to some and leave out those that were born in poverty.

sschind
Senior Member

9 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

now this is something I agree with 100%. Well maybe 95% I'm not sure I am on board with adjusting the top rate on a whim whenever a shortfall is expected. maybe we just adjust the politicians rates

Maybe it is time we stop calling for the wealthy to pay their fair share because fair is a subjective term. Whatever the share is we should insist they pay their FULL share. I'm sure if they all did that there would be a huge difference.

DakotaT
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9 years ago

#20

Originally Posted by: sschind

You don't think that tax code is extremely complicated for the average people do you? Funny how we never get into the nuts and bolts of taxation when we are electing our corrupted leaders. Well, we kind of did with Mittens in '12, but it was dropped suddenly for some reason.

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