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Offline Rockmolder  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:15:27 AM(UTC)
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Rumours about the Packers from Walterfootball:

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The Green Bay Packers have their defense as the priority of their offseason. It sounds as though Green Bay is more inclined to draft for defense early rather than offensive players like a new tight end or offensive line help. Sources with the Packers say they want to improve the speed and playmaking ability on their defense. Getting their defense more dynamic and faster is a top priority of their offseason according to sources.


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The Packers are also interested in Stanford outside linebacker Trent Murphy. Green Bay has some edge rushers in Clay Matthews and Nick Perry, but both players have dealt with injuries. Murphy (6-5, 252) fits the mold as an edge rusher in their defense as he led the nation with 15 sacks last season. If Murphy falls to their second-round pick, that would be ideal for Green Bay.


Rumours involving the Packers from NFL Trade rumours:

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A Packers scout reportedly mentioned that “based on what I’m seeing Tahj Boyd is not draftable."

Tony Pauline added that Boyd’s showing on Monday “Ugly” as he “makes receivers work too hard to catch the ball.”


Not totally Packers related, a part from it being our scout, but that guy had some momentum going at one point. He's compared to Russell Wilson on the CBS site (take that with a grain of salt), but he's having a rough time right now.

Players who the Packers have had meetings with:

Tre Boston, S, North Carolina (East-West Shrine game)
Max Bullough, LB , Michigan State (East-West Shrine game)
Trent Murphy, DL, Stanford (Very interested, nothing about where they've had a meeting. I'd assume the Senior Bowl)

I've decided to add some mock drafts to see who the draftnicks have the Packers taking:




This is all I have time for right now. I'll add some others when I get the chance.

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Offline musccy  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:14:18 AM(UTC)
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the Packers say they want to improve the speed and playmaking ability on their defense. Getting their defense more dynamic and faster is a top priority of their offseason according to sources.


hasn't this been a point of emphasis for a long time for this defense?
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:01:00 AM(UTC)
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Murphy seems like a good player, but I don't really like the concept of taking college DEs and using them as OLBs. That's Nick Perry; Murphy may be better than Perry, but he's still basically the same situation. Clay Matthews is an example of a LB being used as a LB. Most of the good pass rushing OLBs as well as ILBs around the league are like that: successful and athletic college LBs, not converted DEs. We need more athleticism at LB.

The rumors above are good, though, in that they identify the two top areas of need: OLB and Safety, not necessarily in that order. I would add ILB to that.

One more thing, especially with regard to the talking and interviewing thing: I wish we wouldn't limit ourselves so much with "good character"/"Packer way" type players. Sometimes you can get a guy and make him better in that category. Look at Shields, for example, and a lot of others from other teams. Who would we rather have? a Richard Sherman? or say a Davon House?
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:08:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Murphy seems like a good player, but I don't really like the concept of taking college DEs and using them as OLBs. That's Nick Perry; Murphy may be better than Perry, but he's still basically the same situation. Clay Matthews is an example of a LB being used as a LB. Most of the good pass rushing OLBs as well as ILBs around the league are like that: successful and athletic college LBs, not converted DEs. We need more athleticism at LB.

The rumors above are good, though, in that they identify the two top areas of need: OLB and Safety, not necessarily in that order. I would add ILB to that.

One more thing, especially with regard to the talking and interviewing thing: I wish we wouldn't limit ourselves so much with "good character"/"Packer way" type players. Sometimes you can get a guy and make him better in that category. Look at Shields, for example, and a lot of others from other teams. Who would we rather have? a Richard Sherman? or say a Davon House?


Aldon Smith - college DE
Robert Mathis - college and NFL DE
Tamba Hali - college DE
Elvis Dumervil - college DE
Terrell Suggs - college DE
Lamarr Woodley - college DE/LB
Von Miller - college DE/LB
Brian Orakpo - college DE

Richard Sherman isn't really a bad character person and as far as I know wasn't coming out of college. We've got guys on the team who were much worse character guys than Sherman anyway.
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Offline Bigbyfan  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:59:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Aldon Smith - college DE
Robert Mathis - college and NFL DE
Tamba Hali - college DE
Elvis Dumervil - college DE
Terrell Suggs - college DE
Lamarr Woodley - college DE/LB
Von Miller - college DE/LB
Brian Orakpo - college DE

Richard Sherman isn't really a bad character person and as far as I know wasn't coming out of college. We've got guys on the team who were much worse character guys than Sherman anyway.


Add DeMarcus Ware to that list.

Sherman isn't a bad guy. You never hear a single bad word about him from any of his teammates. I have yet to see him play dirty either. He is just a guy who likes to talk, be heard, and does not give a damn what anybody outside of his locker room feels about it.

I would love to have players like Sherman our team. Maybe our defense would actually look like they give a shit. I'm sure most of the people on this forum would hate to have someone like him, considering the outrage caused by any little comment made by a player that isn't completely cliche or politically correct.

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Offline DoddPower  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:01:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: musccy Go to Quoted Post
hasn't this been a point of emphasis for a long time for this defense?


I would think that would pretty much be a priority every off season. For both sides of the ball. Generic statement, but it's good to hear all the same. Hopefully it actually happens.

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:02:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan Go to Quoted Post
You never hear a single bad word about him from any of his teammates. I have yet to see him play dirty either. He is just a guy who likes to talk, be heard, and does not give a damn what anybody outside of his locker room feels about it.


hasn't stopped the masses from blasting Jermichael Finley.

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:03:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
hasn't stopped the masses from blasting Jermichael Finley.


Exactly my point. People want our team to have an attitude or swagger on the field, but blast them when they show even a little of it in an interview.

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:18:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan Go to Quoted Post
Exactly my point. People want our team to have an attitude or swagger on the field, but blast them when they show even a little of it in an interview.



If a player wants to talk shit, that's fine. But produce on the field. Finley came out every year saying he was going to "take over" the league, and did not impress.

Sure, this past year he was looking better before he went down. But that's not how good he always looked.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:27:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Murphy seems like a good player, but I don't really like the concept of taking college DEs and using them as OLBs. That's Nick Perry; Murphy may be better than Perry, but he's still basically the same situation. Clay Matthews is an example of a LB being used as a LB. Most of the good pass rushing OLBs as well as ILBs around the league are like that: successful and athletic college LBs, not converted DEs. We need more athleticism at LB.


Yeah you're mistaken about a couple of things there...

Murphy was a college 3-4 OLB in college, just like Matthews, not a 4-3 DE like Perry.

But Stanford goes to a 4 man front (just like the Packers) when they put in nickel and Murphy was used as a 4-2 DE then.

Most are listing Murphy as a DE because they think his future in the NFL is as a 4-3 DE, because some have questioned if he's athletic enough to be a 3-4 OLB at the NFL level, while I haven't seen anyone question weather he seems tough enough / physical enough to be a 4-3 DE as those are his strength. I've seen someone some compare him to Justin Smith, thinking he could become a very athletic 3-4 DE like Justin Smith if any 3-4 team was brave enough to try it, as he plays with the same physical style of play and toughness that Smith does. I'm not sure if I'd go that far but I find the idea interesting.



Also Steveishere is right a lot of the best pass rushing 3-4 OLBers were pass rushing college DEs.

3-4 OLB ask guys to read the field, pass rush and the edge to their side. Most college OLBers are 4-3 OLB and most 4-3 OLB aren't used to pass rush or hold the edge nearly as much as 4-3 DEs are. Which makes 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB sort of the same thing as they're edge guys protecting/attacking the edge... while 4-3 OLB aren't asked to nearly as much.

I looked up the NFL sacks list, and of the OLB with over 8 sacks this last season, I only saw two that I have found were a LB for more than one year in college.

Justin Houston who was a 3-4 OLB in college.

Ahmad Brooks who was a 3-4 OLB in college.

The other 10 (or so) OLBers with 8 sacks or more this last season were on the DL in college.


Problem is most colleges use 4-3 systems instead of 3-4 systems... so 3-4 teams have to look for 4-3 DEs which are used to handling the guy duties but can also pick up the LB system, as most of the 4-3 OLB can't pick up the edge duties.

Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Aldon Smith - college DE
Robert Mathis - college and NFL DE
Tamba Hali - college DE
Elvis Dumervil - college DE
Terrell Suggs - college DE
Lamarr Woodley - college DE/LB
Von Miller - college DE/LB
Brian Orakpo - college DE

Richard Sherman isn't really a bad character person and as far as I know wasn't coming out of college. We've got guys on the team who were much worse character guys than Sherman anyway.


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#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:46:48 PM(UTC)
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Clay Matthews III was listed as LB/DE at USC.

http://www.usctrojans.co...mtt/matthews_clay00.html

I had thought at draft time I heard he was playing more upright DE?

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#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:35:36 PM(UTC)
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I'd much rather have a Patrick Willis or Bowman type. But whatever. As for the Richard Sherman thing, if you have ever read his articles on MMQB, your opinion would be much different than it would be if you were solely judging him from that thing with erin andrews.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2014 3:03:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Clay Matthews III was listed as LB/DE at USC.

http://www.usctrojans.co...mtt/matthews_clay00.html

I had thought at draft time I heard he was playing more upright DE?


He played the elephant position at USC. pretty much what you said, a linebacker who plays close to the line, usually rushes the passer and has some limited coverage resonsibilities from time to time.
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