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Offline texaspackerbacker  
#91 Posted : Tuesday, November 5, 2013 10:16:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: IronMan Go to Quoted Post
You guys are wasting your time. Debating with a liberal is like trying to reason with a Braun/Alex Rodriguez apologist. Their guy is above reproach. End of discussion.


You basically are correct, except for a couple of details. I hate trying to speak for Dakota, but I seem to recall him being against those two. I, however, make a distinction between the two. Whatever Braun may be, he is OURS - which makes him a good guy in my book.

Oh yeah, I don't know how long you have been around here, but Mr. "I am not a leftist" Dakota wouldn't even own up to being a liberal.

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#92 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:41:44 AM(UTC)
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I never will understand why people are so sensitive, and context is almost always forgotten.

It's also a cultural thing. In one of my cultures (I am multiracial), it is completely acceptable to call a black person negrito, and the recipient of the word acknowledges it as a friendly/affectionate term.

Red is merely descriptive, regardless of it's connotations. It's on us to realize it's just a word, and the use of the word is actually a badge of honor for the majority of the Redskins' organisation and fan base.

Just like we took the initially derogatory term Cheesehead and changed it into a term of pride, I don't see why you can't view the word Redskin like that.

It's all a waste of time, by uptight people who need to learn to live and forget about the inconsequential things.
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Offline Wade  
#93 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 4:42:49 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: VinceLambeauStarr Go to Quoted Post
I never will understand why people are so sensitive, and context is almost always forgotten.

It's also a cultural thing. In one of my cultures (I am multiracial), it is completely acceptable to call a black person negrito, and the recipient of the word acknowledges it as a friendly/affectionate term.

Red is merely descriptive, regardless of it's connotations. It's on us to realize it's just a word, and the use of the word is actually a badge of honor for the majority of the Redskins' organisation and fan base.

Just like we took the initially derogatory term Cheesehead and changed it into a term of pride, I don't see why you can't view the word Redskin like that.

It's all a waste of time, by uptight people who need to learn to live and forget about the inconsequential things.


It's definitely good having you back, Vince!

None of the above. It wouldn't have been a wasted vote. Obama and Romney -- Those were the wasted votes.
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#94 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 5:03:11 PM(UTC)
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By the way, I don't buy the idea that the rest of the world hates us. The part of the world that the media quotes may, but I stopped trusting the media and the "evidence" it provides a long time ago.

I'm an empirical kind of guy, but if it is a choice between trusting my (reasonably wide and diverse) experience with people from outside the United States and trusting CNN, I'll go with the sample of my own experience, to wit:

1. Over a year lived in England -- some times for a period of months, some for a period of weeks, some on "vacation" trips, some on business/conference/research trips; visits including overnights with friends from the Scots Highlands to the Isle of Bute to the Industrial North of England to the Southern counties.
2. Trips to Malta, Rome, and Portugal. Conversations in a couple dozen airport bars and lounges and who knows how many hundreds of other barroom conversations.
3. Professional connections as a scholar with people from (partial list) England, Portugal, France, Canada, Belgium, Norway, Finland, China (both PRC and Taiwan), Spain, Turkey, Scotland, Ireland, Germany, Romania, Australia, New Zealand.
4. Students from (partial list) England, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Germany, Malta, Russia, Ukraine, China (both PRC and Taiwan), Vietnam, Phillipines, Nepal, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Namibia, Tanzania, Ghana, Bahamas, South Africa, Brazil, Ecuador.
5. Contact with people from who knows where on numerous online lists -- here at Packershome, a religious list I used to hang out on, others.
6. Contact/dealings with dozens of people from Lithuania, England, France, Italy, Israel, Finland, Russia, Malaysia, Taiwan, Namibia via Ebay and my chip/dice/casino memorabilia-collecting habit/addiction.

Are there people who hate America and Americans? Sure. Does the "world" hate us? I don't buy it.
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#95 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 5:28:04 PM(UTC)
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Wade I was being a little melodramatic. I seriously doubt the average person no matter where they are hate people. Not just Americans but anyone. I have been to other countries and without exception been treated great. I have met and talked with about 1 thousand of foreign born people who now live here. Always been treated good.

That said when they gather together amongst themselves without you or I they will from time to time grumble (bitch) about Americans.
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#96 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 5:59:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: IronMan Go to Quoted Post
You guys are wasting your time. Debating with a liberal is like trying to reason with a Braun/Alex Rodriguez apologist. Their guy is above reproach. End of discussion.


It's you clowns that live in the bubble. Piss and moan about going to work to pay for all those freeloaders. Rolling Eyes But it's okay to let rich people get away with tax evasion. That and you're all last work freaks. End of discussion. LOL
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#97 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 6:22:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
It's you clowns that live in the bubble. Piss and moan about going to work to pay for all those freeloaders. Rolling Eyes But it's okay to let rich people get away with tax evasion. That and you're all last work freaks. End of discussion. LOL


Oh, you no longer whine about being called a "liberal"? Wow, evolution does exist.

What does this even mean? "you're all last work freaks"?

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#98 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 6:31:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
By the way, I don't buy the idea that the rest of the world hates us. The part of the world that the media quotes may, but I stopped trusting the media and the "evidence" it provides a long time ago.

I'm an empirical kind of guy, but if it is a choice between trusting my (reasonably wide and diverse) experience with people from outside the United States and trusting CNN, I'll go with the sample of my own experience, to wit:

1. Over a year lived in England -- some times for a period of months, some for a period of weeks, some on "vacation" trips, some on business/conference/research trips; visits including overnights with friends from the Scots Highlands to the Isle of Bute to the Industrial North of England to the Southern counties.
2. Trips to Malta, Rome, and Portugal. Conversations in a couple dozen airport bars and lounges and who knows how many hundreds of other barroom conversations.
3. Professional connections as a scholar with people from (partial list) England, Portugal, France, Canada, Belgium, Norway, Finland, China (both PRC and Taiwan), Spain, Turkey, Scotland, Ireland, Germany, Romania, Australia, New Zealand.
4. Students from (partial list) England, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Germany, Malta, Russia, Ukraine, China (both PRC and Taiwan), Vietnam, Phillipines, Nepal, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Namibia, Tanzania, Ghana, Bahamas, South Africa, Brazil, Ecuador.
5. Contact with people from who knows where on numerous online lists -- here at Packershome, a religious list I used to hang out on, others.
6. Contact/dealings with dozens of people from Lithuania, England, France, Italy, Israel, Finland, Russia, Malaysia, Taiwan, Namibia via Ebay and my chip/dice/casino memorabilia-collecting habit/addiction.

Are there people who hate America and Americans? Sure. Does the "world" hate us? I don't buy it.


Exactly. I'm sure the people you associate with are pretty far up the ladder in social status, Wade. The ones I can attest to - from Philippines, Taiwan, India, Japan, Greece, Spain, Nigeria, Israel, and yes even a Qatari Muslim - tend to be on the lo-o-o-o-wer end of the spectrum, and they have such lofty opinions of America and Americans that even I have to caution them that we ain't quite that great.

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#99 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 6:46:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Oh, you no longer whine about being called a "liberal"? Wow, evolution does exist.

What does this even mean? "you're all last work freaks"?



Iron spouted his shit and then said - end of discussion - like his word was gospel. You have this disease too.

And I'll admit to being a liberal when you admit to being a bigoted dumbass. So we'll figure this one out in our graves, I guess.
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#100 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:02:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
It's you clowns that live in the bubble. Piss and moan about going to work to pay for all those freeloaders. Rolling Eyes But it's okay to let rich people get away with tax evasion. That and you're all last work freaks. End of discussion. LOL


I have never seen anyone on this site ever say it is acceptable for someone to get away with tax evasion. Since YOU made the claim I say you must prove it or retract your claim.
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#101 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:21:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
I have never seen anyone on this site ever say it is acceptable for someone to get away with tax evasion. Since YOU made the claim I say you must prove it or retract your claim.


Of course you accept it, because none of you ever call them out on it, and they do it blatantly. Hell, one of them had the audacity to accept the Republican nomination for President. And you sir voted for him didn't you? Shame on you

Just because you don't take the time to type it out, doesn't mean I'm stupid and can't read between the lines. I retract nothing, please say 5 hail marys and may God have mercy on your soul.

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#102 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:42:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Of course you accept it, because none of you ever call them out on it, and they do it blatantly. Hell, one of them had the audacity to accept the Republican nomination for President. And you sir voted for him didn't you? Shame on you

Just because you don't take the time to type it out, doesn't mean I'm stupid and can't read between the lines. I retract nothing, please say 5 hail marys and may God have mercy on your soul.

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wrong. I didn't vote. You have lied and don't have the balls to admit it.
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#103 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:05:01 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
I have never seen anyone on this site ever say it is acceptable for someone to get away with tax evasion. Since YOU made the claim I say you must prove it or retract your claim.


He does that broad generalization insulting a large group of people all the time. If that doesn't tickle his fancy, he targets anyone in any perceived authoritative role.



I'm kind of on the fence with Redskins name.

What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;


I think the team could profit with a name change. I think they could make this a huge positive PR thing in their favor. Involve the fans. Inquire with fans of new names, logos, colors, etc.


Conversely, if Redskins change their name, then teams like Chiefs, Seminoles, Indians, Braves, etc ... are all gonna be next in line for the Native American groups to target.


I'd rather they just change the damn definition of Redskin since that is what the Oneida guy stated as the issue. Too simple I suppose.

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#104 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:45:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
He does that broad generalization insulting a large group of people all the time. If that doesn't tickle his fancy, he targets anyone in any perceived authoritative role.



I'm kind of on the fence with Redskins name.

What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;


I think the team could profit with a name change. I think they could make this a huge positive PR thing in their favor. Involve the fans. Inquire with fans of new names, logos, colors, etc.


Conversely, if Redskins change their name, then teams like Chiefs, Seminoles, Indians, Braves, etc ... are all gonna be next in line for the Native American groups to target.


I'd rather they just change the damn definition of Redskin since that is what the Oneida guy stated as the issue. Too simple I suppose.


Z2C, I can just picture you as a kid, playing with your electric train, every time it went off the tracks, patiently putting it back and letting it go round and round again.

Valid point about all those other teams changing. What about the Texas Tech RED Raiders? And the Oklahoma SOONERS - named for people who basically cheated, jumping the gun in the land rush that grabbed what had been designated Indian land? Memorializing THAT would seem to be a lot more offensive to Indians than perpetuating the macho side of their culture.

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#105 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:10:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I'm kind of on the fence with Redskins name.

What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;


I think the team could profit with a name change. I think they could make this a huge positive PR thing in their favor. Involve the fans. Inquire with fans of new names, logos, colors, etc.


Conversely, if Redskins change their name, then teams like Chiefs, Seminoles, Indians, Braves, etc ... are all gonna be next in line for the Native American groups to target.


I'd rather they just change the damn definition of Redskin since that is what the Oneida guy stated as the issue. Too simple I suppose.

The Seminole Tribe of Florida has an excellent relationship with Florida State University. When the issue first arose, the university met with the tribe and they hashed out an agreement. I believe the tribe even picked the mascot and approved of the pregame ceremony. In addition, the pregame ceremony represents an actual warrior, who is 100% real with a well-established past. Frankly, it serves as an example as to how poorly Daniel Snyder and his predecessors have handled the issue. It also serves as an example on how some of the team names above could rectify the issue by sitting down and hashing out a legitimate agreement.

For what it's worth, this could be how the issue gets resolved. It will most certainly not please everybody (that's impossible), but they could definitely follow the Florida State template with it.
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