Tramon Williams has turned into shutdown corner· Page 3

nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

The only flaw in that how many of these guys play against the #1 wr on the other team. Tramon gets the #2 or #3 wr

Originally Posted by: dhazer

He has for the past couple weeks. lol

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DoddPower
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#22

The only flaw in that how many of these guys play against the #1 wr on the other team. Tramon gets the #2 or #3 wr

Originally Posted by: dhazer

I don't think it's a "flaw" in the stats, but just yet another example of how stats do not always tell the whole story. Tramon can only cover who his coaches make him cover, just like a team can only play the teams on their schedule. Moreover, corner backs covering the #1 WR almost always have help from a safety, as well, which can always skew things a bit.

And just because Sam Shields may be playing better than Tramon Williams does not in any way mean Tramon isn't playing very well. It just means Shields is playing even better.

beast
Select Member

10 years ago

#23

Shields may very well have passed up Tramon, but it ain't because Tramon got worse. It's because Shields got better. Add Hayward to that, and House and Hyde too ........ as they say, you can never have too many good corners.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

I have to disagree with that...

Tramon clearly got worse with his shoulder injury, but has slowly been improving since, but again pretty slowly.

And Shields was good before, but wasn't consistant, he started to become consistantly good last season and has kept it going into this season.

Though I think they're going to have to ask Williams to take a pay reduction, because his contract number is pretty big espeically since Shields seems to be covering #1 guy more often and he's a FA, take some of Williams money and resign Shields.

If Williams says no then maybe think about asking Hayward, House and Hyde to step it up and draft another CB.

beast
Select Member

10 years ago

#24

He has for the past couple weeks. lol

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Are you saying williams has gotten the #1 guys the past couple of weeks or the he's gotten the #2 and #3 the last couple of weeks?

Week 5: Both Lions starting WRs were out.

Week 6: Torrey Smith, I think Shields had him. (speed vs speed)

Week 7: Josh Gordon, speed vs speed again with Shields. The QB didn't seem to be playing well.

Week 8: The article says Williams had Jennings, but the QB didn't seem to be playing well.

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dhazer
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#25

I'm on my cell in the woods deer hunting but to me ever sin e the shoulder injury Williams is afraid to tackle anyone. That is not the 9.5 million he would get next year. I can't surf for stats but Williams best year was 2010 and he only had 6 hints. Williams is over rated in my eyes and I think Haywardcan do the job plus the guy likes to hit.

I also want to add the last shut down corner was Revis the stats can lie and teams will just throw to the other we because that cab isn't as good

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#26

You can never have too many great corners. Just because the injury bug has hit us just about everywhere but corner (oops I forgot Hayward), that doesn't change things.

I really don't think there's any chance of dumping Tramon until after the Shields contract situation is clear one way or the other. Personally, I hope we keep both. What is the Williams situation? $9.5 million one more year, then free agent? I'm pretty sure Ted Thompson can find away to fit that $9.5 million in, then probably bring him back for a significantly lower number after next season - probably using a bonus or whatever to structure Shields to be a low cap hit the first year of his new contract.

One more thought: I really don't see why Davon House should be "gassed" from gunner duties like he was. Something doesn't add up there.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

#27

Originally Posted by: beast

There was an article, I thought it was a couple weeks ago about how this team has gone from sharing the "shut down" duties to favoring Shields.

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