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Offline texaspackerbacker  
#16 Posted : Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:17:04 AM(UTC)
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I defended Ted Thompson 7 or so years ago when a lot of people were down on him, then when I came to this forum, I was surprised to find the rock-ribbed loyalty to him. The truth is, he has done a lot of things right, and fallen short in a few other areas.

I wholeheartedly agree with the not signing of big name free agents from other teams except for the few exceptions noted. I also strongly agree with the theme of the article: cutting ties when that was needed - he, of course, did a good job of knowing when to open up the treasury too - with Rodgers and Matthews and a few other lesser cases. There will be some really interesting decisions this off-season too - Shields has been great, but the question becomes "how high is up?". If he decides to go for the max, it could take too much money to sign him - and we are, of course, pretty loaded now at Corner. Raji is one guy I really really really hope Ted Thompson does not re-sign - unless the cost is extremely lower than it probably would be. Quality-wise, Raji reminds me of Darryn College - as the article said, mediocre. Finley tops them all as a question mark. Assuming he comes back in a few weeks and resumes playing the way he did before the injury, what then? It will take a helluva lot of money, and even though he showed new-found maturity, and the hands problem seemed to be mostly a thing of the past, both of those things could come up again, not to mention any potential recurrence of the neck thing. I wouldn't be surprised if Ted Thompson does re-sign Finley, but for a lot less than it might have been because other teams are scared off by his situation - either that or there is some kind of wording in the contract to protect the Packers, certainly in the case of the neck.

Obviously Ted Thompson has done great in the lower half of the draft and UDFAs. My gripe, if it even is that, is the high end - but you always have to say "other than Rodgers, Matthews, and maybe now Lacy". Also, bad luck of injuries has been a factor. Still, as I have said, Aaron Rodgers cures a lot of ills. IMO, he - Rodgers - makes the Packers the top 5 or top 3 or absolutely top team that they are, and heaven help us if he went down - I really see weakness in almost every area other than QB. Hopefully we will never have to test that theory - that Ted Thompson has not put together a very good team without Rodgers, but to me, THAT is the bottom line. However, we really do have Aaron Rodgers - Thompson gets the credit - along with the 20 or so teams who did not draft him hahahaha, so let's just enjoy the ride.
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Offline wpr  
#17 Posted : Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:40:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Haha the Lynch disappointment didn't last long after the way that season played out Laughing


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Offline sschind  
#18 Posted : Thursday, October 31, 2013 8:57:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
A lot of people don't like to count FA like James Jones and Brad Jones but if we had say let James Jones walk that year and Ted signed some other teams WR who came in and led the NFL in TDs for us we would all be like WOOOO WHAT A GREAT FA SIGNING SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!


I said this same thing on the CBS boards a few years ago and at least a half a dozen people responded with "signing your own guys doesn't count" I asked why and explained, like you said in another post, that they were on the open market just like everyone else and a couple responded with " well yeah, maybe but it still doesn't count. I say WHY THE HELL NOT

Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Datone Jones, while good, looks to be suffering some of the same things Daniels did last season as a rookie. I suspect both Daniels and Jones will be a major force next season, as they further develop.


I agree. Some people seem to think that just because a player is a first round draft choice that he should be a game changer right away. That may be such a realistic expectation for a top 10 guy but Jones was what 26th. You have to give guys a chance to develop and adjust. Not everyone can step in and be a star from day one.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan Go to Quoted Post
I have never been a fan of Ted Thompson and I never will be, but I have to hand it to him for keeping the Green Bay Packers in the upper echelon of the NFL year after year.


I'm just curious as to why you are not a fan. I would think that when a GM who is keeping the Green Bay Packers in the upper echelon of the NFL year after year what is not to be a fan of. I'm also wondering why you never will be a fan. That sounds like something personal. I'm not knocking you for your opinion. Its just that it kind of like saying "I'm not a fan of $100.00 bills and I never will be but they are good for spending"
I respect your right to have your opinion but that doesn't mean I agree with it or respect you for having it.
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Offline DoddPower  
#19 Posted : Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:13:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
I'm just curious as to why you are not a fan. I would think that when a GM who is keeping the Green Bay Packers in the upper echelon of the NFL year after year what is not to be a fan of. I'm also wondering why you never will be a fan. That sounds like something personal. I'm not knocking you for your opinion. Its just that it kind of like saying "I'm not a fan of $100.00 bills and I never will be but they are good for spending"



Yooper loves to complain and be a Negative Nancy.
Offline Gaycandybacon  
#20 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 4:51:46 AM(UTC)
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Believe it or not Erik Walden was a great signing in 2010. Even Howard Green was a great addition in 10'.

I think Ted thrives when he brings in guys during the year. Ala Dujaun Harris, despite his injury this year, he was our best back last year. No offense to Alex Green.

Now I don't know if it's a cap thing or not but other teams can put together great drafts, and they still bring in great free agents.

Ted will bring in free agents then let them go, and he'll stick with his draft picks till the end unless they absolutely can't compete.

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#21 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 5:18:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Believe it or not Erik Walden was a great signing in 2010. Even Howard Green was a great addition in 10'.

I think Ted thrives when he brings in guys during the year. Ala Dujaun Harris, despite his injury this year, he was our best back last year. No offense to Alex Green.

Now I don't know if it's a cap thing or not but other teams can put together great drafts, and they still bring in great free agents.

Ted will bring in free agents then let them go, and he'll stick with his draft picks till the end unless they absolutely can't compete.



At least in my own personal definition greatness isn't confined to one season. "Solid" or "good" or even "adequate" apply to a single year. Great is something that takes place over a long period of time.

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#22 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 5:32:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower Go to Quoted Post
Yooper loves to complain and be a Negative Nancy.


I reserve the right to be a fan of, or not be a fan of whoever I so wish.
More than likely I have been a fan of the Green Bay Packers longer than you have been alive.
So a big FU to you!
Have a happy day.

Offline DoddPower  
#23 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 8:16:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: yooperfan Go to Quoted Post
I reserve the right to be a fan of, or not be a fan of whoever I so wish.
More than likely I have been a fan of the Green Bay Packers longer than you have been alive.
So a big FU to you!
Have a happy day.




I never said you didn't have a "right" to be a complainer and/or a Negative Nancy and a Debbie Downer, I just stated the fact that you often are. Please, feel free to carry on. I'm just glad I'm not that way, that's all.

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But complaining about having a general manager like Ted Thompson is pretty laughable to the rest of the football world.
Offline DarkaneRules  
#24 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 8:19:04 AM(UTC)
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With trades and things like that, I always think about who we potentially lose for the future. You can never know that until it comes to fruition. That is why you have to stick to a mindset and take it all the way. Never back down from that.

The Patriots with all those superbowls hit lightning in a bottle. They had a great veteran team, great coaching, and an ascending hall of fame quarter back in Tom Brady.

I think the days of dynasties is gone for now. Now it is about being relevant and consistently good for long stretches of time. We have been able to do that. From 6-10 to the playoffs every year and one Superbowl. We are spoiled guys.
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#25 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 11:02:25 AM(UTC)
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To me it comes down to whether you want to try and win your Superbowls by being consistenly a contending team in the playoffs, or do you risk it all by signing free agents and increasing your chance at the Superbowl, but then not consistently make it to the playoffs as you deal with the Cap problems that often come with going after the big available stars. I like our approach because having Rodgers to me means we have a legitimate shot at knocking out any team as he is to me the most talented player on the field every game. Is it frustrating not to get some of the FA guys? Yeah, but we got Lacy a hell of a lot cheaper than Jackson and we will have him hopefully for many years to come whereas Jackson may have been a short term plus but at a much higher price tag.
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#26 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 12:12:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla Go to Quoted Post
To me it comes down to whether you want to try and win your Superbowls by being consistenly a contending team in the playoffs, or do you risk it all by signing free agents and increasing your chance at the Superbowl, but then not consistently make it to the playoffs as you deal with the Cap problems that often come with going after the big available stars. I like our approach because having Rodgers to me means we have a legitimate shot at knocking out any team as he is to me the most talented player on the field every game. Is it frustrating not to get some of the FA guys? Yeah, but we got Lacy a hell of a lot cheaper than Jackson and we will have him hopefully for many years to come whereas Jackson may have been a short term plus but at a much higher price tag.


Once you get to the playoffs, anything can happen.

The more times you get there, the more likely you are to win it all. Ted has kept this team on the top of the heap for many years, and it looks like they're going to stay that way for the forseeable future, knock on wood.
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#27 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 12:16:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Once you get to the playoffs, anything can happen.

The more times you get there, the more likely you are to win it all. Ted has kept this team on the top of the heap for many years, and it looks like they're going to stay that way for the forseeable future, knock on wood.


The vikies have disproved this theory. Bills not far behind.

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#28 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 12:31:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
The vikies have disproved this theory. Bills not far behind.


They didn't have Aaron Rodgers! heh heh. Plus, the Vikings just don't count, period, because well . . . they're the Vikings.
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Offline DoddPower  
#29 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 12:33:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla Go to Quoted Post
To me it comes down to whether you want to try and win your Superbowls by being consistenly a contending team in the playoffs, or do you risk it all by signing free agents and increasing your chance at the Superbowl, but then not consistently make it to the playoffs as you deal with the Cap problems that often come with going after the big available stars. I like our approach because having Rodgers to me means we have a legitimate shot at knocking out any team as he is to me the most talented player on the field every game. Is it frustrating not to get some of the FA guys? Yeah, but we got Lacy a hell of a lot cheaper than Jackson and we will have him hopefully for many years to come whereas Jackson may have been a short term plus but at a much higher price tag.



I wanted Steven Jackson, but he has basically been a complete bust so far in ATL. Eddie Lacy has been the MUCH better player. Jackson quickly got hurt, and has taken forever to heal. When he came back last week, he didn't look effective . . . at all. Yet another great move by Ted Thompson, even if Jackson comes on a little bit later in the season. I still can't imagine him being as good as Lacy, and certainly not better.
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#30 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 12:36:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
The vikies have disproved this theory. Bills not far behind.


So you have a better chance of winning if you're not even in the dance? I think it's quite clear if you're there all the time it improves your chances. Bills were four times within 60 minutes of winning. Had they not made the playoffs, they don't get that close at all.

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