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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#16 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:26:34 PM(UTC)
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Not making any excuses, but when your offensive players are dropping like flys it's hard to play good offense and win that game. The coaches must of been scrambling when Franklin got nicked up for a couple plays.
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#17 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:54:41 PM(UTC)
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Rodgers AND McCarthy have to break the seal on this and start winning football games when down in the 4th Quarter against .500 teams or better. 0-18.

WTF?
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#18 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:31:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers AND McCarthy have to break the seal on this and start winning football games when down in the 4th Quarter against .500 teams or better. 0-18.

WTF?


That's just not Rodgers or McCarthy's (or the current Packers) game. Players are different. The Packers just have to capitalize on the opportunities they have to prevent themselves from being in such a situation. Much more so than not, they do just that, and it shows in the win/loss percentage.

Rodgers isn't the big time come from behind clutch quarterback. It's a weakness of his. I'm OK with that, though, because he's as good as anyone otherwise, and doesn't put himself in those situations very often. I'd prefer it that way, anyway. I don't want to see a lot of last minute drives for the win. I wish he and the team were better in come from behind victories, but it is what it is. I'd prefer that those situations never happen to begin with, though, and I'm confident that will be the case pretty often for the Packers. There was certainly no need for it to happen today. Too many missed opportunities earlier in the game. I'm not sure why anyone thought it was going to be different on the last drive.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:32:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers AND McCarthy have to break the seal on this and start winning football games when down in the 4th Quarter against .500 teams or better. 0-18.

WTF?


This means nothing, unless it can be compared to at least Brett Favre and Mike McCarthy and Favre and Mike Holmgren.

Show us those numbers please. If not, then that stat is as useful as saying the team with the most points wins 100% of the time.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 8:03:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers is not someone who can bring this team from behind. Additionally, his two interceptions were stupid throws in the tone that he had someone wide open in the flat. Piss poor decision making.


What I would like to see is a stat that shows the number of times the QB got his team the lead in the 4th quarter, sometimes late in the 4th quarter, and the defense failed to hold it.



I respect your right to have your opinion but that doesn't mean I agree with it or respect you for having it.
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Offline shield4life  
#21 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 8:36:41 PM(UTC)
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I'm more pissed about us not being able to convert the turnovers into touchdowns. That close down the field we need to get more TD with the talent we've got on offense. We should of had at least 2 TD instead of FG's if offense had actually showed up. Only players that showed up today we're actually Franklin & Starks on the offense.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:10:52 PM(UTC)
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It's a bit difficult for Rodgers to mount a comeback when all his passes are getting tipped since the O-line is getting dominated. It's what most ball games come down to - how effective your offensive/defensive lines are.

Then again having key members of the team dropping like flies can't help either.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:16:11 PM(UTC)
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Most irritating part of this game - Cinci shot themselves in the foot several times, and rather than making the most of it the pack took the gun from them and shot themselves right back.

I was disappointed in the 4th and inches - instead of going with a sweep or anything to make the defense have to adjust - we see the usual Mike McCarthy "rushing" play call. This "up the middle" boneheaded call caused a fumble circus that costed us the lead.

I could name numerous things that made me shout 4 letter beauties, but I think we can all name the obvious ones.

Let's get healthy and clean these mistakes up!
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#24 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:30:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 Go to Quoted Post
Most irritating part of this game - Cinci shot themselves in the foot several times, and rather than making the most of it the pack took the gun from them and shot themselves right back.

I was disappointed in the 4th and inches - instead of going with a sweep or anything to make the defense have to adjust - we see the usual Mike McCarthy "rushing" play call. This "up the middle" boneheaded call caused a fumble circus that costed us the lead.

I could name numerous things that made me shout 4 letter beauties, but I think we can all name the obvious ones.

Let's get healthy and clean these mistakes up!


Ya the Rodgers interception to hall and that 4th down stupid call (feel bad for franklin even though you can't drop the rock at all times) Made me say Feck a lot too. Burnett and Hayward back against the lions? Should be a good return.
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#25 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 3:24:07 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Aaron does need to do something about this whole "4th quarter curse" thing.


Maybe we need to tag team a QB for the 4th Qtr...

Tim Tebow's available...just sayin'... Whistle
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#26 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 4:44:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
This means nothing, unless it can be compared to at least Brett Favre and Mike McCarthy and Favre and Mike Holmgren.

Show us those numbers please. If not, then that stat is as useful as saying the team with the most points wins 100% of the time.


Are you crazy? How is 0-18 insignificant and meaningless? We get down on good teams and we apparently cannot come from behind for the win.

My bigger point is that this is not all on Aaron Rodgers, as Mike McCarthy has to pull his head out of his ass and start having all phases of his team ready to take the field, including himself and his staff. The 0-17 figure prior to losing this last one came from another report that I posted a link to.

Why is our Kick Returner still dropping balls back there 3 weeks into the season, when this was a problem going into the season? Clearly, the problem went unaddressed.

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Some fans may be unfamiliar with Bill Kenney, the Kansas City Chiefs’ signal caller from the 1980s. Most fans who even know Kenney are scratching their heads right now to figure out what he has to do with Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers.

Bill who?

On the surface, the two have very little in common. But they share one startling similarity: Rodgers and Kenney are two of the worst quarterbacks of all time when it comes to fourth-quarter comeback opportunities:
Rodgers is 3-18 (.143)
Kenney was 3-27 (.100)
Rodgers was a first-round pick drafted to replace the legendary Brett Favre, while Kenney was Miami’s Mr. Irrelevant choice in the 1978 draft. He was technically next to last, but the final pick never made it to training camp so Kenney got the title. The Chiefs drafted Todd Blackledge in 1983 to replace Kenney.

Kenney was an average quarterback with a 34-43 record as a starter, and his only playoff appearance was coming off the bench in a defeat. Kenney is the only Mr. Irrelevant to ever make the Pro Bowl, as he was an alternate for his 1983 season in which he became the fourth NFL quarterback to throw for 4,000 yards in a season, beating Lynn Dickey (the fifth) by a day.

Rodgers is statistically out of this world. He has gone 41-21 in the last four years and won a Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP in 2010. In 69 games, Rodgers already has 27 more touchdown passes and 89 more passing yards than Kenney had in his career (106 games).

But Kenney and Rodgers do have quite a bit in common.

Kenney and Rodgers are two of only five quarterbacks to produce a game with four touchdown passes and two touchdown runs. They both even had 38 pass attempts in that game. But that is a one-game comparison that just makes for interesting trivia.

The statistical similarities we are talking about go much deeper than one game, or one season for that matter. The greater similarity is that Rodgers, like Kenney, has consistently failed to come up big in critical fourth-quarter comeback opportuntiies.

It is the reason Kenney was not held in higher regard in his day, and it's the reason that has kept Rodgers from even more success in Green Bay.

A refresher in case you forgot your Captain Comeback terminology: a fourth-quarter comeback opportunity is when an offense has possession of the ball in the fourth quarter, trailing by 1-8 points (one score).

And Rodgers falls far short of most of his contemporaries. Consider Giants QB Eli Manning and Cowboys QB Tony Romo.
Manning, who knocked the 15-1 Packers out of the playoffs last season, is 21-22 (.488) in fourth-quarter comeback opportunities.
Romo, who is widely perceived as a huge choker, is 13-20 (.394) in fourth-quarter comeback opportuntiies.
Hell, even JaMarcus Russell was 3-6 in his short career; he was a defensive stop away from 4-5, and one of his other losses came when Justin Fargas fumbled the ball on the drive’s only play.

Some believe these things even out over the years, but Kenney played nine seasons, and Rodgers’ record involves the last five. How many years does one need to display a good or bad record in close games before you believe it is more than just a random fluke?

At some point, pure dumb luck should have given them a boost. Instead, Rodgers is Mr. Irrelevant in the fourth quarter, much like Kenney was Mr Irrelevant in the draft.
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/aaron-rodgers-mr-irrelevant-fourth-quarter/15278/

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#27 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 5:04:38 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Are you crazy? How is 0-18 insignificant and meaningless?


Are you going to share what was requested or is this just another dismissive stat that we have nothing to compare it to? It seems kind of obvious to me that a team that is above .500 is going to win, as indicated by their record.

Stats are great, I love them, but it really justify them, you need something to compare them to. I'm interested in seeing Favre/McCarthy or even Favre/Holmgren. You were able to collected Rodgers/McCarthy. I have confidence you can do this.



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#28 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 5:09:24 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Are you going to share what was requested or is this just another dismissive stat that we have nothing to compare it to? It seems kind of obvious to me that a team that is above .500 is going to win, as indicated by their record.

Stats are great, I love them, but it really justify them, you need something to compare them to. I'm interested in seeing Favre/McCarthy or even Favre/Holmgren. You were able to collected Rodgers/McCarthy. I have confidence you can do this.



Edit, oh, and yes, I am.


Hahaha. Actually, I recall looking into Favre a long time ago regarding this, and he was not great at the 4th quarter comebacks either. Hence, the one Superbowl title... He should have had many.

BTW, I edited my post with some info on Rodgers. Meh, I don't like it, but there it is. In ALL game winning drives, Rodgers was just 6-20 at the time the article was written (July, 2012), a .231 winning percentage.

Edit, oh, and I knew you were. That was hardly a question.
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#29 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 5:16:52 AM(UTC)
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I don't like it either. I actually feel more comfortable with Mason Crosby kicking a game winning 47 yard FG than Aaron Rodgers trying to drive for a touchdown to win the game from 50 yards out and 90 seconds on the clock.

Rodgers is great when things are going his way. When he's getting roughed up and hit, he buckles, just like Tom Brady.
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#30 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 5:25:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I don't like it either. I actually feel more comfortable with Mason Crosby kicking a game winning 47 yard FG than Aaron Rodgers trying to drive for a touchdown to win the game from 50 yards out and 90 seconds on the clock.

Rodgers is great when things are going his way. When he's getting roughed up and hit, he buckles, just like Tom Brady.


My wife is a very good football fan, and a diehard Packers fan, and she would freak out hearing you say that.Laughing She does not care much for Mason Crosby.

The whole thing is really F'd up. Mike McCarthy owns a huge share of the blame. As the article was written in July 2012, I would say we are trending in the exact same direction if not worse. Figure, too, this is a historic rate that Rodgers/McCarthy and that Packers are losing close games.

JaMarcus Russell was better...

Here's some more. A total of FIVE 4th Quarter comebacks, 2 against the hapless Lions('08,'12), 2 against the hapless 2009 Bears, and 1 against the hapless Saints without their HC last year.

http://www.pro-football-...back.cgi?player=RodgAa00

yuck. Here's another listing: http://www.coldhardfootb...ch-for-active-qbs/16571/

and, more: http://www.footballoutsi...game-winning-drive-study

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See how the best quarterbacks in the league largely make up the active leaders in GWDs? That is why Rodgers' 9-24 (.273) record at GWD opportunities continues to baffle me. Yeah, he's had some bad luck, but not significantly more so than the quarterbacks with more wins, which includes most of the league. A common trait with front-runner quarterbacks -- Len Dawson and Kurt Warner are two great examples -- is that even the few close wins they have are not that impressive. Rodgers has great stats on his nine GWDs (No. 4 in points per drive), but two of them came against the 2008 Lions (0-16). Another came against the Saints' awful defense last season.
His last GWD, at home against the 2012 Lions, was 59 yards and included seven running plays (handoffs). The closest thing to a signature drive is the one he had in New York (2011) in the final minute to set up a winning field goal to break a 35-35 tie. Given his career performance, I would like to see more from him in this area. It's a Green Bay problem, but the "best quarterback in the NFL" cannot have just nine GWDs against seven losing teams in five seasons.


Ugh....

And then, since you asked for it, Favre:
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Brett Favre is supposed to stay retired, so hopefully that will spare us any chance of the media claiming he is chasing the comeback record. He is credited with 42, but only has 27 comebacks, and is not exactly known for any real famous ones. Maybe the long game-winning TD pass to Sterling Sharpe against the Lions in the playoffs would be worth mentioning. Just not a situation Favre thrived in. The opportunities were certainly there for him to have more than anyone, but he did not come through with the record amount. A propensity for turnovers via forced throws is not what you look for in a QB in this situation.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3401

4th Quarter Comebacks Leaders Since 1960: http://www.pro-football-...ers/comebacks_career.htm

Favre is tied at #5 with Fran Tarkenton.

Rodgers is tied at #169 with the likes of Andy Dalton, Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck. No shit. Tom Brady is #8 all-time, tied with Johnny Unitas.

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