Zero2Cool
10 years ago
The millions of TV viewers in the U.S. who receive over-the-air television free via antennas could be forced to pay. ... but will you? Apparently they will be removed from cable and satellite.


This is regarding CBS and FOX debating on moving from the free over the air availability to a subscription business model.

I refuse to have Cable and same goes for Satellite. I feel it's a waste of money. The girls and I don't watch much TV, but we do catch a movie or two a week. I shell out a whopping ~$8 a month for Netflix. I don't think I'll pay to watch the few shows like Big Bang Theory or NCIS or the show Keiana likes, Bones.

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10 years ago
we have satellite. I rarely watch tv. If it were just me I wouldn't have it at all. So I was thinking that i don't care if they go to fee based or not. Then I realized I wouldn't get to watch the Packer games and that frustrated me. Then I realized that I don't get half of them any way.
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Mucky Tundra
10 years ago
I'm curious as to what the NFL will say to this. On one hand, they might be against it since a lot people won't be seeing their games. On the other hand, they seem intent on forcing people to pay money just to watch their games as evidenced by the Thursday night games and the last Thanksgiving game the past few years.

All in all, just seems to be another example of traditional media unable to adapt to the internet.
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Pack93z
10 years ago
My belief is that it is just a public stance to apply pressure to this court decision.. basically the networks are not getting there cut of this money.. Aereo is taking a "free" product, streaming it, and profiting from it without paying its source any revenue.

Source... 

Another television network has joined the broadcaster backlash following last week's court decision upholding Internet TV company Aereo's right to stream broadcast TV without paying retransmission fees.

Like rival Fox TV, CBS, the parent company of CNET, is considering alternative ways to monetize its television content in the face of Aereo's service, including cutting off broadcast signals in favor of a subscription-only model, The New York Times reported today. The revelation comes a day after Chase Carey, chief operations officer of News Corp., indicated that Fox would change its business model to ensure it gets paid for TV content it produces.

"We need the dual revenue stream model of retransmission fees and advertising to sustain our business," Carey said yesterday at National Association of Broadcasters' annual trade show in Las Vegas. "We will pursue our rights fully both legally and politically to protect our rights. But if we can't get our rights protected, we will pursue business solutions to take our network and turn it into a subscription service."


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10 years ago
what happened to the phrase I hear on baseball telecasts all the time?

Any rebroadcast, retransmission, or account of this game, without the express written consent of Major League Baseball, is prohibited.



I assumed bars and other people who could profit by retransmission could not tap into the signal without paying for it. It that just a bunch of BS trying to scare off the little guy? Doesn't the NFL take a similar stance? I wonder why this simple line doesn't work for the networks as well. It seems so simple. You can't get something for free so pay the people who make it.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago

what happened to the phrase I hear on baseball telecasts all the time?



I assumed bars and other people who could profit by retransmission could not tap into the signal without paying for it. It that just a bunch of BS trying to scare off the little guy? Doesn't the NFL take a similar stance? I wonder why this simple line doesn't work for the networks as well. It seems so simple. You can't get something for free so pay the people who make it.

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Typically, a Bar is already paying a portion of that re-transmission fee with their Cable or Satellite cost. The bar isn't rebroadcasting it either.

The NFL did have issues with a church (and other venues) showing the Super Bowl to mass amounts of people. I think there was a limit on how many could view it without a charge or something.

The service that is pissing off CBS and FOX is I believe omitting commercials and that's why the networks are pissed off. Networks use regional commercials for certain demographics and when its rebroadcasted without their control, they lose that marketing control. Do you want to advertise your product of Viagra to a market that is dominated by teenagers?
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10 years ago

Typically, a Bar is already paying a portion of that re-transmission fee with their Cable or Satellite cost. The bar isn't rebroadcasting it either.

The NFL did have issues with a church (and other venues) showing the Super Bowl to mass amounts of people. I think there was a limit on how many could view it without a charge or something.

The service that is pissing off CBS and FOX is I believe omitting commercials and that's why the networks are pissed off. Networks use regional commercials for certain demographics and when its rebroadcasted without their control, they lose that marketing control. Do you want to advertise your product of Viagra to a market that is dominated by teenagers?

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I was generalizing a bit when I said bars. I know they pay a cable or satellite fee. (They didn't use to when they had the jumbo dishes.)
But a bar or restaurant can rebroadcast a game on a certain nite (Final Four Championship game or Super Bowl. I can see a bar in Louisville doing so every Thur for a few weeks.) and thus be in trouble.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago
Oh, I didn't know what you meant then, my mistake. I thought you meant airing it live. So bars actually "DVR" events and replay them? I see Walmart replays Super Bowl XLV all of the time in their Packers section.
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nyrpack
10 years ago
in new york the days of antenna tv is over, the cable giants all forced everybody to cable about 1-2 yrs ago, ive always had cable but there were plenty of people who didnt espicially in nyc !!
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Formo
10 years ago
I'm with Kev as in I damn near refuse to pay for cable. We have it now, though, but only for 6 months. Because of a promo that brought the bundle (internet/basic cable) cost down to the same price as our internet alone. And we got HBO as a bonus. As soon as this following NFL season is up, I'm canceling the cable.

But I really, REALLY hope the idea of subscription fees for over-the-air broadcasting via ANY big network doesn't even sniff the light of day. That's effin' bogus.
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