doddpower
11 years ago

I agree with others that the read option offense has no answer right now.
I also agree that Seattle also runs it and they are the most annoying team in a long time.

ThAt being said, the Seattle athletic defense is the blueprint to follow.
You need athletic, powerful dlineman. Easier said than done to find.
Green Bays offensive line also needs to be rebuilt.

All of this we all seem to agree,

When I say Aaron has peaked, I mean, the future of the NFL looks like Kaepernick, RG3 and Russell Wilson.

Brady, Rodgers, and Manning are still at the top of their games, but going back to the read option thing, there is a dynamic QB blueprint that defenses have not been able to solve.

The QB play of Rodgers, Brady, and Manning don't have that element, and that's why there is a ceiling or peak. This is why Harbaugh benched alex smith for Kap. That is why I said Aaron has peaked. He is not going to get any faster. He is as good as he can be.

The landscape of the NFL has changed in a matter of 3 years since the Green Bay Super Bowl.

Like the last poster said, we will need to incorporate a dynamic player, and develop a super athletic D to compete with teams like the niners or Seahawks or another Super Bowl will be out of reach for a long time.

Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay 




Eh, I think defenses will adjust to the read option. Sure, it might always have a place, but just like so many other offensive "fads," defenses eventually catch up. The most ideal blue-print in the NFL will always be to have an intelligent pocket-style passer that is in complete control of the offense. Any ability to run and such is just an added bonus. I'll believe in the "running QB" style of offense when there is a large enough data set of Super Bowl championships to support it.

The 49'ers just have an amazing amount of talent across the board, offense, defense, and even special teams (at least usually, but certainly their punter). As was said in the game, most every team in the league would love to have such a powerful offensive line. They make absolutely everything else the rest of the offense does easier. They also have an elite defense with elite players at every level. It's just a lot to match up with. To me, it still comes down to talent more than anything, followed by execution. Tonight, the 49'ers executed almost perfectly and the Packers did not. Therefore, the end result is not surprising at all. Overall, the 49'ers are a more talented team than the Packers, so the Packers simply don't have the room to not execute properly and expect to win.
musccy
11 years ago
Nail on the head doddpower. First, although tough to admit, it's clear the 49'ers are a better team. They clearly demonstrated that twice this year.

Also, the wildcat was once the read option, but that was stopped. You need tremendous discipline and athleticism at the edges to stop it, but I think it can be stopped...if for no other reason franchise qbs will get creamed/injured such as vick was in his heyday or rg3
Cal2GreenBay
11 years ago

Nail on the head doddpower. First, although tough to admit, it's clear the 49'ers are a better team. They clearly demonstrated that twice this year.

Also, the wildcat was once the read option, but that was stopped. You need tremendous discipline and athleticism at the edges to stop it, but I think it can be stopped...if for no other reason franchise qbs will get creamed/injured such as vick was in his heyday or rg3

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Kaepernick is not a terrible passer like Vick is/was. Rg3 takes too many risks to injure himself but is also a good pocket passer.

My point was that Kap was not just a runner. Look at his QB rating. He was just as much a pocket passer as Aaron was tonight. Russell Wilson is also a good pocket passer too.

Their athleticism separates them from the current crop of pocket pass leaders, Brady, manning, and Rodgers.

My point is that Jim Harbaugh knew that if the niners played in the playoffs wih Alex smith, even with their better talent, they may not have won. They won because of the defense, oline, AND Kaepernicks ability to PASS and RUN more dynamically than Alex Smith.

The body of work to prove this is right in front of us. Either Russell or Kaepernick will be in the Super Bowl.

This is not like the wildcat. The wildcat was predicated on maximizing mediocre passers with their running ability. Wildcat packages were not around real QBs. These new young guns are for real.

These guys are terrific pocket passers with superior athleticism.

We are witnessing a shift in the NFL. NOT a fad.

blank
doddpower
11 years ago

We are witnessing a shift in the NFL. NOT a fad.

Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay 



As I said, I'll believe that when I see a substantial data set. Until then, this is nothing but conjecture on your part. Even if Kap or Russel Wilson wins the Super Bowl this season, it still won't prove much. It will take more than one Championship. My money is still on the Patriots, as there's not a QB left I'd trust more than Brady in the Super Bowl. Moreover, the success has as much or more to do with everyone around the QBs as it does the actual QBs themselves. The Seahawks and 49'ers have been amazing examples of all around team play, much more so than the traditional Brady, Peyton Manning, or even Aaron Rodgers led teams have been in the past. That's always been a great recipe for success, and is nothing new at all, especially the elite defense.

Cal2GreenBay
11 years ago

Kaepernick is not a terrible passer like Vick is/was. Rg3 takes too many risks to injure himself but is also a good pocket passer.

My point was that Kap was not just a runner. Look at his QB rating. He was just as much a pocket passer as Aaron was tonight. Russell Wilson is also a good pocket passer too.

Their athleticism separates them from the current crop of pocket pass leaders, Brady, manning, and Rodgers.

My point is that Jim Harbaugh knew that if the niners played in the playoffs wih Alex smith, even with their better talent, they may not have won. They won because of the defense, oline, AND Kaepernicks ability to PASS and RUN more dynamically than Alex Smith.

The body of work to prove this is right in front of us. Either Russell or Kaepernick will be in the Super Bowl.

This is not like the wildcat. The wildcat was predicated on maximizing mediocre passers with their running ability. Wildcat packages were not around real QBs. These new young guns are for real.

These guys are terrific pocket passers with superior athleticism.

We are witnessing a shift in the NFL. NOT a fad.

Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay 



You can't count on the mobile QBs getting injured to prove the traditional pocket passer is still the best way.
Kaepernick doesn't run like a running back and seek contact like Vick and Rg3. I saw more savvy than that,

Vick was never a cerebral QB and while his abilities suggested he could redefine the QB position. Ultimately he was more athlete than great QB.

Kap and Wilson are not like that. It's actualy pretty exciting to witness. I just am sad that it was at the expense of the packers. One of these new young pocket passing, althletic QBs, is going to redefine the QB position in the way Vick failed to do.

Stay tuned...we will just have to see.
blank
Cal2GreenBay
11 years ago

As I said, I'll believe that when I see a substantial data set. Until then, this is nothing but conjecture on your part. Even if Kap or Russel Wilson wins the Super Bowl this season, it still won't prove much. It will take more than one Championship. My money is still on the Patriots, as there's not a QB left I'd trust more than Brady in the Super Bowl. Moreover, the success has as much or more to do with everyone around the QBs as it does the actual QBs themselves. The Seahawks and 49'ers have been amazing examples of all around team play, much more so than the traditional Brady, Peyton Manning, or even Aaron Rodgers led teams have been in the past. That's always been a great recipe for success, and is nothing new at all, especially the elite defense.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



Point Taken. We will just have to see.
blank
Bigbyfan
11 years ago
This may be wishful thinking on my part, but I would love for us to cut AJ Hawk and sign Dannell Ellerbe from the Ravens. He is exactly the type of player we lack and have a need for. He is an enforcer who makes plays in the backfield and won't get pushed around. A combination of him and Bishop/Smith would do wonders for the middle of our defense.

This will never happen, but a man can dream.
blank
blueleopard
11 years ago
Michael Crabtree made Tramon Williams his bitch. That was so annoying.
Danreb Victorio A Believer of Greg Jennings
buckeyepackfan
11 years ago

This may be wishful thinking on my part, but I would love for us to cut AJ Hawk and sign Dannell Ellerbe from the Ravens. He is exactly the type of player we lack and have a need for. He is an enforcer who makes plays in the backfield and won't get pushed around. A combination of him and Bishop/Smith would do wonders for the middle of our defense.

This will never happen, but a man can dream.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



The problem with that is, Ted doesn't do trades and Bishop/Smith haven't been able to stay on the field.
D-line gets pushed around, ilb's are going to look bad because they can't get into position to make the plays.
Pickett getting nicked early in the game didn't help,I know he came back, but don't think he was very effective after getting hurt.



I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
Cal2GreenBay
11 years ago

The problem with that is, Ted doesn't do trades and Bishop/Smith haven't been able to stay on the field.
D-line gets pushed around, ilb's are going to look bad because they can't get into position to make the plays.
Pickett getting nicked early in the game didn't help,I know he came back, but don't think he was very effective after getting hurt.


Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



raji is heavy, ur is undersized against those massive niner lineman, same with picket.
blank
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (1h) : End of a Degu-era
dhazer (1h) : Steelers sign Patterson because of new kickoff rule interesting
Zero2Cool (4h) : Former #Packers TE Josiah Deguara is signing a 1-year deal with the Jaguars, per source.
Zero2Cool (5h) : They do not do it for "content sake".
dfosterf (15h) : For the record, I enjoy Beast and Mucky drafts
Zero2Cool (22h) : Haha
Mucky Tundra (23h) : No time for talking! Back to work beast!
beast (27-Mar) : You saw only 4,201 of my mocks? 🥺 I think that means you missed more than half of them 😢
dfosterf (27-Mar) : Does anyone know what Lambeau field improvements got put on hold? My guess would be for the 2025 draft
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : It's like listen, you made 4,201 mocks, no shit.
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : Cuz during the draft "I had them mocked there!" as if it's amazing.
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : They're fun to do once in awhile. It's people who think they are "content" that annoy me.
dfosterf (27-Mar) : Against tbd
dfosterf (27-Mar) : Answer to your question is yes, it's a Thursday, will be the Chiefs aga
dfosterf (27-Mar) : Luckily for all concerned, I don't post them. I did one, but that was like 25 mocks ago
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : NFL 2024 gonna start Sept 5th isn't it???
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : Ugh... kids these days!
dfosterf (27-Mar) : I'm gonna go do some more mock draft hell instead 🤪
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : Did we do one of those prediction threads yet for 2024 season?
dfosterf (27-Mar) : In my city, they are playing the nimby game, in order to keep some railroad tracks vs. 2 professional sports teams and a concert venue.
dfosterf (27-Mar) : And/Or a city council, of which I haven't seen a good one in a very long time
dfosterf (27-Mar) : That sounds like a Mayor, not a city.
buckeyepackfan (26-Mar) : Packers halt scheduled 80mil upgrade of stadium until lease agreement talks are restarted
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : City of Green Bay puts Packers' Lambeau Field lease talks on hold
buckeyepackfan (26-Mar) : Packers 1 of 3 teams to vote no on new kickoff rule.
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Packers sign another Kicker
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Lengthy explanation at PFF if you click the link
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Kickoff rules officially changed.ngthy explan
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : lol
Cheesey (26-Mar) : 2009? No thanks! One open heart surgery is enough!
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Good for you!
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Yes. That's the one.
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Is that "Lady Dugan" per chance?
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Crystal?
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Please refresh my memory
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Alan posts. Crystal back in my life. It's 2009 all over again! Lol
Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : BAH GAWD! THAT'S CHEESEYS MUSIC!
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Gutekunst said early stages of Jordan Love contract being discussed.
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Shouldn't be penalized cuz official screwed up
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Yeah, challenge until you are incorrect twice.
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Fining them is the goal, per the people who made the rule anyway.
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Still waiting on the kickoff rule changes. Did hear yesterday that the touchback proposal will now be the 30 yard line, not the 35
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Probably speed of game issues with your proposal
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Hopefully the refs don't get in the habit of throwing flags on this
beast (25-Mar) : I think when it comes to Challenges should get two strikes, so unlimited challenges as long as they keep winning them, but 2 wrong then done
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Still subject to the fines etc
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Yes, I should have been more specific. Also, they are now saying it would be a 15 yard penalty. That makes more sense .
beast (25-Mar) : Simply fined in the week to follow
beast (25-Mar) : I agree with one NFL official, it'll probably be like some of the helmets hits, not really called by the refs on the field but simply fined
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Hip drop is not. Super confusing. Referees job is harder
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2023 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
Bears
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM
Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM
LIONS
Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM
Raiders
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
CHARGERS
Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM
CHIEFS
Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM
Giants
Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
Panthers
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM
Cowboys
Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM
49ers
Recent Topics
16h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

16h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

16h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

23h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

27-Mar / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

27-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

26-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

26-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

26-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

25-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

24-Mar / Around The NFL / dhazer

24-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

24-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.