Pack93z
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11 years ago
Simply put.. they are not being held appropriately accountable and thus have little to fear from we the public as a whole.


Unloved for so long, Congress not fazed by public's disapproval 

Four months ago, the United States Congress had a gloomy approval rating of just 12 percent. And that was before most Americans had ever heard of a "fiscal cliff."

The last NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll to measure congressional approval (August), showed that a whopping 82 percent of Americans disapproved of the job Congress was doing, an all-time record for the history of the survey.

By some estimates, Congress' approval rating could now -- after an ugly fiscal cliff fight and the brewing storm over aid to Hurricane Sandy victims -- be nearly within the margin of, well, zilch.

So is Congress doomed to forever be the branch of government eating alone in the proverbial cafeteria of public opinion? And can it go any lower?

For the last four years, no more than one-in-three adults has given Congress a thumbs up, according to the poll. And it's been longer than a decade since more than half of Americans approved of their representative government on Capitol Hill.

Experts say that because the ratings have been so poor for so long, members are no longer fazed by the public's overall disapproval. They note that the lambasting of Congress as a whole has minimal effects on individual races, especially when candidates run against the status quo of the very body they're trying to join.

Some 90 percent of lawmakers who ran for re-election in 2012 will be coming right back to Capitol Hill for the 113th Congress.

"Nobody ever votes on Congress as a whole, they vote on individual members," says Jack Pitney, professor at Claremont McKenna College in California. "The message that most lawmakers give their constituents is 'I'm great, it's these other bozos who are the problem.'"


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Since69
11 years ago
What we need is a good hot fire. Followed by term limits and the criminalization of lobbying and corporate contributions....
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Porforis
11 years ago

What we need is a good hot fire. Followed by term limits and the criminalization of lobbying and corporate contributions....

Originally Posted by: Since69 



How would you go about defining criminal lobbying? Would it be illegal to contact your representative and suggest that he do something as a private citizen? Only if you've contributed to that person's campaign, or only if you've contributed over X dollar amount? Is the government going to need to keep track of who contributes how much to who, and does that concern you at all?

If you criminalize corporate contributions, what's to stop corporations from setting up LLCs or using existing LLCs to funnel the money through legally? Should unions also be restricted from contributing to campaigns?

It's easy to see problems, it's hard to solve them in a way that will work in the real world without unintended consequences.
DakotaT
11 years ago


It's easy to see problems, it's hard to solve them in a way that will work in the real world without unintended consequences.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



It wouldn't be hard for me to solve these problems. Guilty until proven innocent.


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Porforis
11 years ago


Well, it WOULD work fine for a while if you got to solve everything since you're always right, thus we don't need to worry about innocent people getting their heads cut off. I just worry what will happen when enough people get together and cut YOUR head off, what sort of a society will we be left with?
wpr
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11 years ago
Nothing has changed. In the 70's when I was in college we spoke about this in poli sci class. The approval ratings and reelection ratios were like this then.

Everyone hates Congress but they like their Rep. "He/She is the only honest one there." Or "The person running against him/her is a Dem/Rep scumbag so I can't trust him."

I could live without term limits if Congress was required to obey the same laws that they pass. Including making them contribute to Social Security. That and no full pensions for them.
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DakotaT
11 years ago

Well, it WOULD work fine for a while if you got to solve everything since you're always right, thus we don't need to worry about innocent people getting their heads cut off. I just worry what will happen when enough people get together and cut YOUR head off, what sort of a society will we be left with?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



There are no innocent men and women in Politics, therefore the odds would be alot better than our current execution policies of the condemned in our prison systems. The beast has been corrupt since the beginning of civilization. I don't know why we even continue to have these discussions especially since all you like to do is smart off to me.
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PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago

What we need is a good hot fire. Followed by term limits and the criminalization of lobbying and corporate contributions....

Originally Posted by: Since69 



We have the best term limits possible. Elections.



We all need to get more involved. Contact your representatives, research candidates, vote and make sure you get as many people as you can to vote.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Wade
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11 years ago
(poster cackles silently to himself over in the Crazies corner)
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
dfosterf
11 years ago
We as a nation are borrowing $50,000.00 every second of every day.

46 cents of every dollar spent by the federal government is borrowed.

We borrowed yet another couple hundred thousand dollars in the time it took for you to read this.
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