Mitt Romney or Barrack Obama?· Page 4

DakotaT
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11 years ago

Kid showed up at trick-or-treat as the stay puft marshmallow man. The suit required periodic inflation. It was awesome.

I have m&m's left over, ya want some? Kinda trickle down, but you are welcome to 'em... have some of those chocolate bunnies with the sprinkle thingies on 'em too!

😝

Originally Posted by: dfosterf

Don't need your beaurocratic hand me downs. But if you really look at it, I already paid for them, you Sack.

Yeah I'm a rare breed, Gunny. Someone who's worked for everything and doesn't mind paying his taxes to take care of the poor.

schroeder84
Registered

11 years ago

#32

I am very happy to not be voting in this election. I would vote for MontanaBob, but only if he dropped the squirrel platform. Squirrels in trees just serve to frustrate my big dog, and a frustrated dog is a lot harder to deal with!

Now, if you said a possum in every yard, at least the doggie would have something to do, and a happy doggie makes my life that much better.

Seriously though, if I had to vote, I would end up holding my nose and voting for the Dems, though they are far too big biz for me. I am a left of centre Canadian, so there is really nobody running that appeals to me all that much. Except for MontanaBob, of course.

As for you DakotaT, we have something in common - I am self employed and work far too hard to make a living for my family. But - I don't mind paying my taxes since they go to people around me in my community who need the help a lot more than I do.

wpr
Preferred Member

11 years ago

#33

Voting 3rd party in the presidential election, is the same as throwing your vote away. Today, it is impossible for a 3rd party to become president, until a 3rd party gets to the 1/3 amount of people in congress. It isn't making a statement, because those you would want to make a statement to, won't listen anyway. Romney was right, 47% of the population will vote democrat regardless. About the same will vote republican. The rest of us that are left and actually make the decision of who becomes president can't afford to throw that away.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

you are correct to a point. the deciding 6% is actually smaller than that.
Those who reside in Cal, TX, NY, IL, most of the South and Western States don't matter. Those states are all but locked in.

the states that matter the most are Ohio, NC, Vir, FL. Second level: WI, CO, IA, AZ.

The 6% in those states are the ones both parties are selling their souls to woo. The rest of us have to ride along while they do.

Porforis
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#34

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Precisely because so many people are convincing themselves that they have no power. A single vote for Romney or Obama is just as useless as a single vote for anything else, it's not going to sway anything. As myself and others have already explained, what do you think would happen if even half the people completely fed up with both parties and candidates decided that enough was enough?

Ross Perot got 18.9% of the vote in '92. Pure coincidence that Clinton and the Democrats played towards the center, as well as the Republicans? When there's votes in the middle up for grabs, both parties have a block of voters they can grab by being less extreme and more cooperative, not more extreme and less cooperative.

Obamacare is going to cost us all more when it gets implemented full, that alone is enough to not vote for Obama, his lack of effort to work with the opposite party, and his all but guaranteeing that he will raise taxes and take money out of the economy can't improve the economy. Romney may not be my choice, but he is less dangerous than Obama.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

As with everyone else, you're thinking short-term. So, Romney wins over Obama and you admit that Romney's not your choice so I'm guessing you're not thrilled with him. The Democrats will play ball with Romney about as much as the Republicans played ball with Obama, and the Democrats played ball with Bush. Little gets accomplished, our tax code remains a complete disaster with a tweak here or there, more small-scale military conflict, more mediocre economic recovery. People need to take a stand at some point or our candidates are just going to get worse and worse.

4PackGirl
Registered

11 years ago

#35

i live in IL & i know my vote means squat!!
chicago has the power to negate all downstate voters. ugh.

Porforis
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#36

i live in IL & i know my vote means squat!!
chicago has the power to negate all downstate voters. ugh.

Originally Posted by: 4PackGirl

Can you explain why you feel your vote matters less than say, a citizen of Chicago? I'm genuinely curious, a lot of people seem to feel that if their vote doesn't go to the winning candidate it's worth less. I don't agree with that, but I've never heard someone explain why they feel that way.

Pack93z
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11 years ago

#37

I would probably say, that most people look at the electoral college map, one in which certain areas carry more of the burden that others, “proportional representation" if you will, and see or believe that their votes for their state carries less weight because of their demographics within said state.

That would be my take on 4PackGirl's comment.. but certainly not answering for her.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

wpr
Preferred Member

11 years ago

#38

Originally Posted by: Porforis

It is not that her vote does not count. It is because so many people live in Cook County and the other large cities that it makes her feel like her vote doesn't count.

Here are a couple of maps that illustrate it. (I did not use the 2008 election map since many people across the state voted for Obama as they feel he was the "local Illinois guy".

For some reason this website decided to use blue for Bush and red for Kerry instead of the tradition red for Republican and blue for Democrat. 2004

When looking at it on a county by county basis you can see the vast majority of the state voted for Bush. The breakdown in each county was probably about 55-60% for Bush and the balance to Kerry. the same holds true for the other downstate counties that went to Kerry. When you get into Chicago (Cook County) it was 70% for Kerry. So one county more or less decided how the whole state was going to go. the overall state vote was 55% Kerry and 44% Bush. (Rounding and Libertarian votes make up the last 1%)

The same thing happened 4 years earlier in 2000 . Gore won a few more counties but Chicago dictated how the state as a whole was going to go.

I know it happens in other states as well. Typically the votes in a few metro counties in California direct what is going to happen for the whole state. Metro NYC is stronger than Upstate New York. South Florida to some degree politically controls all the rest of the state. And so on in other states as well.

If there was to be a change in the manner of voting instead of it going completely to a popular vote. I would like to see something like Nebraska and Maine have. Break down the electoral votes based on Congressional districts. That way one candidate doesn't win the entire state. And the candidates can not focus the whole campaign in just a handful of swings states.

MontanaBob
Registered

11 years ago

#39

I'm leaving in 10 minutes on a campaign trip to Spokane. I got $15 in my pocket and with any luck at all at the keno and poker machines I'll be able to at least double my campaign coffers. That should be enough to swing a few votes my way.

Zombie...I'll eliminate the squirrels just for you, and throw in a half pound of the finest squirrel feed that bribery can buy.

PackerChick...I stand corrected. Want to be my Secretary of State?

Anyone for a Weenie Roast?

Pack93z
Select Member

11 years ago

#40

Classic... Mitt is feeling that Snickers moment.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

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