Zero2Cool
a year ago
During the Buccaneers game even Greg Olsen was saying not to play soft defense. Why would a defense go soft? My speculation is they were hoping the Buccaneers would dink and dunk the clock away. Knowing full well the Packers offense would probably go three and out, maybe Joe Barry went soft hoping the Buccaneers wouldn't get big chunk yards?

I would still rather murder kill them and give the ball back to the offense. Worse case scenario (no turnover) is you go three and out burning up clock and/or their timeouts and then pin them inside the 20, again.

Matt LaFleur one told Mike Pettine to be more aggressive. Fine, he inherited Pettine, but he hand picked Joe Barry. If you need to tell your hand-picked DC to be more aggressive, why the hell did you hire him? Unless you don't want to be aggressive? I'm in circles here.
UserPostedImage
Cheesey
a year ago
It's frustrating to me too.
All game our D was stopping the BUCS. Why, when the game is on the line, would you change it? The worst that could happen, is that the BUCS score, which is what happened anyway.
Playing conservative at that point is a recipe for disaster.
We are lucky that Brady allowed the delay if game, and the 2 point attempt was knocked down.
I think had it gone into OT, we would have lost. Our offense did nothing in the second half.
That doesn't give me much hope that suddenly our O could get any kind of score.
UserPostedImage
bboystyle
a year ago
There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a bad scheme to play soft zone on that last drive. All game your D has shut them down and u decide to do that? What makes him think that our D is all of a sudden give a big play for a touchdown? Also, u dont give mr. dink and dunk (Brady) that type of coverage with more than a minute left and a time out. It clearly didnt work and had it not been for a royal screw up on Brady's part, we most likely lose in OT.

Sometimes coaches outsmart themselves...This is a classic case
Zero2Cool
a year ago

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a bad scheme to play soft zone on that last drive. All game your D has shut them down and u decide to do that? What makes him think that our D is all of a sudden give a big play for a touchdown? Also, u dont give mr. dink and dunk (Brady) that type of coverage with more than a minute left and a time out. It clearly didnt work and had it not been for a royal screw up on Brady's part, we most likely lose in OT.

Sometimes coaches outsmart themselves...This is a classic case

Originally Posted by: bboystyle 



The screw up on the two point conversion was on the coaching staff. Everyone knows you call the two point play at the same time so you can hurry to the line, call it and catch defense off guard. How they didn't have multiple plays called is astonishingly bad.

I absolutely hate the soft defense. Why we have our guys so far off the WR's just pisses me off. We have SPEED. It's OK to use it. I get they don't want to get beat over the top. I just want to see the off coverage being like 5 yards, not 10+ yards.
UserPostedImage
nerdmann
a year ago
It did work, we won.

Barry knew they needed the 2pt conversion, defense held up. They burned the clock down on the way across the field. Offense needs to score more than 14.

Btw, they executed that onside correctly. The front line went for blocks, not for the ball. Lazard was a level behind them, fielded it cleanly and went down. BOOM. Good to see.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Cheesey
a year ago
There haven't been many games where we could only score 14 points and win.
The defense definitely was a big reason we won.
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
a year ago
For years I have said that I dislike prevent defenses. They don't work often enough. The good news for yesterday was there really wasn't a downside.
If the Bucs scored they still needed to get the 2 point conversion. (We know they failed. Good news.) If they succeeded the best they could do was tie the game. (Still good news)
If they scored quickly Rodgers still had a chance to drive down field to attempt the FG.
(Packers would have still had a timeout.) Depending on the time left he can do this. Depending on the field position there is a high probability of Crosby getting the FG. (good news)
If the Bucs used up most of the clock Packers still have a chance to win in OT. (Sorta good news)
Going prevent forced Brady to execute plays with a subpar offense. Odds were with GB.
Under almost every scenario the odds still slightly favor the Packers a little.
UserPostedImage
beast
a year ago

Why would a defense go soft?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


Probably due the heat, their viagra wore off sooner...

During the Buccaneers game even Greg Olsen was saying not to play soft defense. Why would a defense go soft? My speculation is they were hoping the Buccaneers would dink and dunk the clock away. Knowing full well the Packers offense would probably go three and out, maybe Joe Barry went soft hoping the Buccaneers wouldn't get big chunk yards?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


It looked like they went to a prevent defense and your stated reason is the only reason to go to a prevent defense (other than the other team is clearly more talented than you, and your just trying to stop a complete and total blow out, which clearly doesn't apply here).


But there is absolutely only two reason why, in this case, the Packers defensive tried to play prevent defense in a one score game, and more than 3 minutes reminding and a future 1st ballot HOF QB throwing the ball...

1) Someone made the incredible incredible stupid decision to play the clock instead of the team...

2) No one overrode that extremely extremely stupid decision...


This quite literally is the Kevin King before halftime against the Buccaneers decision all over again, where someone made an extremely extremely stupid play call decision, and there was no one there to correct them...

Whomever made that decision needs a detention and call to the principals office, and be educated on never calling a prevent defense when you have more than 1:30 per drive... so this was a one score game, so no prevent unless the clock is under 1:30 (maybe even less if they still ha e their timeouts) and in this case they called it in a one score game with over 3:00 remaining. Just pure stupidity, unless you thought your prevent defense would confuse the QB (it's not... it confused your coverage team more).

Also whomever is supposed to be watching the play callers to not make stupid calls, should also be punished, that might be LaFleur...



Matt LaFleur one told Mike Pettine to be more aggressive. Fine, he inherited Pettine, but he hand picked Joe Barry. If you need to tell your hand-picked DC to be more aggressive, why the hell did you hire him? Unless you don't want to be aggressive? I'm in circles here.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


This was the most aggressive game I've ever seen Barry call.. he sent more 5 rushers against the Buccaneers than I've seen over muliple other game streaks...

I honestly didn't know Barry knew how to be that aggressive... and that's what I've been looking for...

Also on one of the plays where the RB got wide open on prevent defense, it was with Walker on a blitz so no one had coverage on the RB, but the coverage also looked confused in prevent defense.

As for Barry's hiring, LaFleur wanted someone that knew and would run the Vic Fangio defensive scheme and so looked at coaches that knew that scheme.

Barry's version of the scheme certainly is not the more aggressive version of that scheme.

Also ironically, Broncos released Vic Fango and the Vikings hired his right hand man to be their new defensive coordinator.

49ers were trying to get a deal worked out with Fango to be a senior consultant or something, but it fell through, but the Packers should seriously consider bringing in Fango in some role (Just my opinion, but we are running a conservative version of his scheme).


But in this conservative version, the defensive front must win, or the backend could be screwed... but the Packers have been getting good pressure which partly by design to attack the pass and be a bit more vulnerable to the run.


Also on a complete side note, Packers coverage is good on their main calls, but they need to be better prepared on their change ups, like the calls they don't often make, like prevent defense, looked like they needed to talk a lot more about that when setting up...

But ideally, I want to demand that at some point they run a surprise change up with a Tampa 2 coverage... just randomly call in once per game. But they have to be ready for that random call...

But I think it would really mess with the offense, for a single play and the ILBers or Safety will ha e a shot at an INT if it's a pass play and you don't over do it.

UserPostedImage
Cheesey
a year ago
All a "prevent defense" does is prevent you from winning.

To me the ONLY time you should even think of using it is when you are up by at least 17 points, and there is only 3 minutes or less left in the game.
UserPostedImage
Dulak
a year ago

The screw up on the two point conversion was on the coaching staff. Everyone knows you call the two point play at the same time so you can hurry to the line, call it and catch defense off guard. How they didn't have multiple plays called is astonishingly bad.

I absolutely hate the soft defense. Why we have our guys so far off the WR's just pisses me off. We have SPEED. It's OK to use it. I get they don't want to get beat over the top. I just want to see the off coverage being like 5 yards, not 10+ yards.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



ya we sure paid our coverage guys enough this past year to stick them on the receivers and let them duke it out.
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (46m) : Former #Packers TE Josiah Deguara is signing a 1-year deal with the Jaguars, per source.
Zero2Cool (1h) : They do not do it for "content sake".
dfosterf (12h) : For the record, I enjoy Beast and Mucky drafts
Zero2Cool (18h) : Haha
Mucky Tundra (19h) : No time for talking! Back to work beast!
beast (20h) : You saw only 4,201 of my mocks? 🥺 I think that means you missed more than half of them 😢
dfosterf (23h) : Does anyone know what Lambeau field improvements got put on hold? My guess would be for the 2025 draft
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : It's like listen, you made 4,201 mocks, no shit.
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : Cuz during the draft "I had them mocked there!" as if it's amazing.
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : They're fun to do once in awhile. It's people who think they are "content" that annoy me.
dfosterf (27-Mar) : Against tbd
dfosterf (27-Mar) : Answer to your question is yes, it's a Thursday, will be the Chiefs aga
dfosterf (27-Mar) : Luckily for all concerned, I don't post them. I did one, but that was like 25 mocks ago
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : NFL 2024 gonna start Sept 5th isn't it???
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : Ugh... kids these days!
dfosterf (27-Mar) : I'm gonna go do some more mock draft hell instead 🤪
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : Did we do one of those prediction threads yet for 2024 season?
dfosterf (27-Mar) : In my city, they are playing the nimby game, in order to keep some railroad tracks vs. 2 professional sports teams and a concert venue.
dfosterf (27-Mar) : And/Or a city council, of which I haven't seen a good one in a very long time
dfosterf (27-Mar) : That sounds like a Mayor, not a city.
buckeyepackfan (26-Mar) : Packers halt scheduled 80mil upgrade of stadium until lease agreement talks are restarted
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : City of Green Bay puts Packers' Lambeau Field lease talks on hold
buckeyepackfan (26-Mar) : Packers 1 of 3 teams to vote no on new kickoff rule.
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Packers sign another Kicker
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Lengthy explanation at PFF if you click the link
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Kickoff rules officially changed.ngthy explan
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : lol
Cheesey (26-Mar) : 2009? No thanks! One open heart surgery is enough!
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Good for you!
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Yes. That's the one.
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Is that "Lady Dugan" per chance?
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Crystal?
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Please refresh my memory
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Alan posts. Crystal back in my life. It's 2009 all over again! Lol
Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : BAH GAWD! THAT'S CHEESEYS MUSIC!
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Gutekunst said early stages of Jordan Love contract being discussed.
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Shouldn't be penalized cuz official screwed up
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Yeah, challenge until you are incorrect twice.
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Fining them is the goal, per the people who made the rule anyway.
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Still waiting on the kickoff rule changes. Did hear yesterday that the touchback proposal will now be the 30 yard line, not the 35
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Probably speed of game issues with your proposal
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Hopefully the refs don't get in the habit of throwing flags on this
beast (25-Mar) : I think when it comes to Challenges should get two strikes, so unlimited challenges as long as they keep winning them, but 2 wrong then done
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Still subject to the fines etc
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Yes, I should have been more specific. Also, they are now saying it would be a 15 yard penalty. That makes more sense .
beast (25-Mar) : Simply fined in the week to follow
beast (25-Mar) : I agree with one NFL official, it'll probably be like some of the helmets hits, not really called by the refs on the field but simply fined
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Hip drop is not. Super confusing. Referees job is harder
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Swivel hip drop is banned
dfosterf (25-Mar) : The hip drop enforcement will be in the form of fines, etc. Not flags
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2023 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
Bears
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM
Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM
LIONS
Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM
Raiders
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
CHARGERS
Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM
CHIEFS
Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM
Giants
Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
Panthers
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM
Cowboys
Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM
49ers
Recent Topics
12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

27-Mar / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

27-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

26-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

26-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

26-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

25-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

24-Mar / Around The NFL / dhazer

24-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

24-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.